Hi atolboo,

Yes, I will try that.  I will let you know that when I restarted the download process again after redialing, I checked /var/cache/pisi/packages but it showed the kernel zip file wasn't at 17.1 mb, but back to a low k size as it was getting it from the beginning again.

Hi PhiX, yes, could be.  Today's ISP's have some many intrusive anti-spam, anti-virus anti-this that built into their servers that you wonder if certain sites are black listed. 

But, I've never had this happen when dowloading a single PiSi application, only with these updates. 

We'll try again and thanks for the good advice!

I will try late this evening when the servers aren't so busy here. 

Lisa Marie

Edited to add: success!
I will also add that I have been needing to fiddle/tinker  with KPPP dial up utility more so than I have had to in the past.  I am now retrieving the download after editing the modem, by using cr/lf instead of cr, and also unticking "use lock file", whatever that means.  It seems to make my modem faster for some reason.  In the past (six months ago) I have just used the default settings for the most part with no problems.   

I am also using my second ISP service that I am giving a trial run with for two months. 

oh, I also decided to do the retrievel as root instead of as super user, just in case it makes a difference, but it probably doesn't.  It probably had more to do with my ISP as well as  my KPPP settings. 

Lisa, the happy camper

Hi again,

Maybe I need to do some of the suggestions here:

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=2358.0

I need to learn how to use PiSi through the command line, real bad!

Lisa Marie

and I'm envious that you guys can speak so many languages!

Hi Rokurosv,

Glad to have you here! 

I agree, the Pardus installer is excellent!

Warmest regards,
Lisa Marie

Hi,

Pardus 2008.1
dial-up

scenerio:  I have two users, one with administrative rights, one without.   I use admin. session to do any downloads through PiSi. 

Today again I tried to do some updates through PiSi after fetching the latest, which totals 98 as of this week.

I opened PiSi package manager, chose/ticked the 2 in Base System: Baselayout and libssh2, which roughly was 90k total and PiSi said it would need to install 37 additional dependencies, total 46mb.  I ticked continue and it asked for super user password and I typed in the admin password.  It said it would take roughly over 3 hours, which was fine for me, as my dial up will let me stay connected for that length of time, but not over 4 hours.  Anyway, after an hour or more passed, I checked on the status to make sure my ISP didn't cut me off, and it had not, but PiSi had hung at:
Operation: kernel downloading
17.12mb/46.37mb
2:04:46

I checked /var/cache/pisi/packages
and it showed the latest kernel in a zip file, total size 17.1mb

I think the kernel size in total is 46mb package.

During this stall, I checked to make sure I could surf and opened FF and was able to navigate to web pages.   

This is the second time this has happened.  I am wondering, should I have typed in the root password in PiSi to retrieve the updates.  As I mentioned, I used my administrative user's password, which was one of the choices for PiSi. 

Just a bit confused.  If this was the first time this happened, I would suspect that the download site was temporarily out of reach.  Anyone else have the kernel download stall out?

Regards,
Lisa Marie

Hallo Pjotr and a hearty welcome!  It's nice to have you here to join in on the forum.  Nice bunch of folks here! 

You've been using Pardus for much longer than I have.  Share any tips you care to for us pesty Nubs! 

Warm regards,
Lisa Marie

as a side comment, this is my hope.  I have never liked Network Manager as it never works for dial-up.  I would like to see an alternative, a choice for network managing in Linux.   

Lisa Marie

Thanks Mhmrcs and PhiX,  as this is good to know, another way for me to learn to fethch downloads, but I will learn it quickly enough.

So far, when I start PiSi package manager and choose an application to install, if I disconnect the connection during download, PiSi cat is still waking from sleep and thinking of Fish  , whereas if I disconnect during a download using say, Synaptic, Synaptic will give errors saying so and so packages weren't fetched, and asks me if I want to ignore getting these packages.  I choose "no" and it brings me back to the Synaptic packages I have ticked for install.  I usually wait about 5 minutes before re-dialing and then click, "apply" and it will continue where it left off of whatever it partially downloaded of the last appl. it was retrieving. 

With PiSi, if I disconnect or the ISP cuts me off, the PiSi cat is still waking from sleep, and I don't get a message that the update was unable to be retrieved.  So, I figure that it will automatically resume upon re-dial, thinking it would continue where it left off, but it does not.  It doesn't do anything, except to dream of Fish.. I hit "cancel" and have to start all over from beginning again.  So, I am glad to know another way to retrieve packages with resume capability.  I'm sure in the future, that Pardus will work this out to make it a bit more GUI easy for this situation.

A note: before the initial fetch updates, I am able to to choose singular applications from PiSi.  I did Amarok this way, and it took about 17 minutes. 

Again, thanks for the big help, as this was a concern for me.  Dial up stinks, but you'd be amazed at how many people have no other choice for internet connection

Regards,
Lisa Marie

Hi,

I'm giving it another go, this time without contrib ticked in package manager, but I see there are 95 updates available.  These kernel updates must have come out last week. 

So, I tried ticking off a singular package; amarok, cups, firefox, to see what PiSi would do and for each singular item ticked, it would say that 38 additional dependencies would be installed.  So, I decided to choose Amarok,  and the first one PiSi is fetching is kernel.  51.86mb total.

It will be interesting to see what happens if my ISP cuts me off - which is normally after 3 and especially 4 hours of online time.  These downloads will take a little over 4 hours.  I've always had problems with KDE's Adept Package Manager crashing when my ISP disconnected me.  When I would restart the download, Adept would start all over from the beginning, not remembering what had been fetched.  I see with PiSi I have the option of bandwidth speed as well as saving packages cached to disk.  I'll have to look into these options, as they may be better for someone with dial - up.

Lisa Marie

Symphony no. 1 by Joseph Haydn via KASU radio station linked to the BP Chicago Radio Broadcast.  er, can I mention I'm relaxing with my pipe full of Turkish, golden Virginia and cubed cut Burley in a beautiful Stollenwerk pfeife,      Shame on me.   

Lisa Marie

Hi all,

This happened to me as well.  Prior to last week there were about 54 updates in the PiSi package manager (I have Pardus 2008.1)  I was trying to update certain of these updates (by ticking off the boxes) and it was retrieving them, but then my ISP cut me off so I had to restart later that day.  It must have refreshed and then showed 95 updates available.  I then tried again to get the updates I originally wanted (by ticking off the boxes in package manager) and I typed in root to let it fetch them, but it started to retrieve the Linux kernel update (can't remember exactly the name linux header, linux image or kernel) but I didn't choose it.  So I cancelled.  Normally, what you tick is what is retrieved and any dependencies that are needed.  It said it would take 8 hours, and well, like I said, I cancelled.  I had contrib in addition to the regular repositories. 

So, now I am starting again, fresh install ( I don't mind doing this, as I was having problems with my modem or ISP and now no more problems there). 

This time I don't have contrib in addition to the regular repository.  When I try to get update, I'll let you know if this happens again.

Lisa Marie

 

Thanks for the feedback, atolboo, as I was wondering if I was the only one having a problem with it.  Back to the drawing board, as they say, to see what I did wrong, as I am curious. 

Lisa Marie

Ha, I tried to find out what that wild flower is by looking in my botanical identification books, but I still do not know.  I think it's a member of the wort family, but not sure.  I would think it is native to Turkey.  I agree, it is easy on the eyes and does't distract from the few icons I have on the desktop. 

Oh, and Mhrmcs, I do understand, I think, what you mean by bloat, that Mint KDE is a layer on top of Mint Gnome Ubuntu based distro - it isn't a dedicated KDE desktop. 

Lisa Marie

Hi sakasa!  it is good to have you here, to be a part of the forum! 

Thank you for sharing your art work with us!  That is so nice of you! 

Welcome!

Lisa Marie

Hey Alan, that is how I felt about the state of Arkansas, that there are probably very few Linux users, but I was suprised one day, dropping by the local computer shoppe (I live in a small town) and the young lad that worked there knew about Linux when I mentioned I was using it, saying he uses it on a server. He even pronounced Linux correctly - I did not.      That makes sense, though, as he and his boss have to repair computers that are mainly Windows systems.  They know. 

Regards,
Lisa Marie

Hi Alan,

Glad to have you here and welcome! 

I've never tried Linspire or Debian. 

Enjoy Pardus!

Regards,
Lisa Marie