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751  General / General topics / Re: multiple boot windows XP with more than one Linux OS on: October 03, 2008, 23:07:22 PM
Thanks, atolboo! 

I used that how to restore grub wiki last week, so I am familiar with it/comfortable with it. 

sata drives are labeled sd, and my second drive is listed as sdb. 

Don't worry, I wouldn't blame if something goes amiss.  That is why I said I'd like to give it a try.  I'll have to learn how to do it sooner or later.    Cheesy

I appreciate it!

Lisa Marie
752  General / General topics / [solved] multiple boot windows XP with more than one Linux OS on: October 03, 2008, 19:15:31 PM

This is probably something I shouldn't be doing, as I am a newbie, but I'd like to give it a try.  I'd like to know how to install another Linux distro alongside Pardus (Parud 2008.1 being my main distro) and XP. 

I'm waiting on the other distro from my husband, so I won't be able to try this right away. 

My set up is two hard drives, sata drives. 

sda is the smaller of the two and has XP at the front with grub installed on the MBR, in the middle a NTFS storage partition, and at the end, Pardus system files and at the very end, a Linux swap space. 

I'd like to install the other distro (kde mint) on the second unpartitioned / empty hard drive. 

I've read some how to's, but they are for other distros, like Redhat.
 I'm curious if when the distro asks to where to put grub, should I just tell it not to install any grub, or put it on that particular distros root partition?  I know  not to have grub installed on MBR as grub is already installed there via Pardus. 

And then some say one needs to edit the grub conf file to add some text to show the chain loaded distros so they all show up in grub, but they never go into details for newbies like me to understand the directions.   Will it effect any kernel updates by doing this? 

I'm still getting used to Pardus users and root set up.  I'm used to doing sudo from the days of ubuntu.  I have two users, one which has administrative rights and of course the root password. 

I have lots of time to play with this, and any and all info is much appreciated ahead of time so I can study it. 

Lisa Marie
753  Assistance / Hardware / Re: Question on what to do when I upgrade RAM and install new video card on: October 03, 2008, 18:45:55 PM
Yes, I just added more ram to my computer with no problems in Pardus.  I had two sticks installed with one extra stick in storage, and recently ordered a fourth stick so I could use the third stick. Anyway, it installed fine.  I like Corsair brand.   Funny thing is my dual boot windows xp only sees 3 G.   Tongue

and, like PhiX said, use the system>display manager.  It retrieved the correct drivers for my card to implement 3-D support.

Lisa Marie
754  Assistance / Configuring Pardus / Re: frequency scaling & kpowersave on: September 28, 2008, 00:18:50 AM

I don't have that .conf file, either.  I don't have 'conservative'  listed in my file of scaling_available_governors, but I installed pardus on a desktop, so it's set to 'ondemand'.  as found under /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq

Did you read this?


Lisa Marie
755  General / Tips and tricks / Re: [Tip] Dual boot Pardus and Windows XP on one hard drive on: September 27, 2008, 04:05:58 AM

I didn't find that wiki how-to.  Thanks!  The one I found was here in the upper right hand corner, but it's for Pardus 2007.  http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/download.html

The snag that I hit was a misunderstanding of the wording.  I'm coming from a ubuntu/kubuntu world where automatic install, choose 'free space' means unpartitioned space or unallocated space.  What Pardus did was choose the Windows NTFS partition's remaining free space, and shrunk the NTFS partition from 76 GB to about 43 GB and put Pardus at the remianing end of the NTFS partition, instead of as I assumed it would do, to install it in the unpartitioned free-space of the disk (remaining 76 GB) and format and create a Linux partition for Pardus system files there.  I hope that makes sense.    Of course, it showed this in the summary before I committed to it, but I like to experiment and went ahead with the install to see what it would do.  I could have chose to quit, come here and asked, and gotten help with it, but I just wanted to learn myself, sometimes the hard way, but at least I learn this way.  I just thought it odd that it chose the NTFS Windows partition to install, instead of all that empty space for the automatic choice.   I'm also coming from a world where manual install is something you quickly back out of because it is too confusing for a newbie to Linux.  With Pardus, as I said, the manual install is easy!

I see in the wiki how-to for 2008 version that it is further explained.  "At the first option the already existing partition will be resized, and in the free space a single new partition will be created, on which Pardus will be installed".   Yep, that would have made it more clear to me.  Again,thanks for the newer manual. 

Terry, I'm glad you shared that, because I've wondered if I could install more than one Linux distro on one disk.  I guess I like lots of elbow room and will be installing another hard drive soon. 

I would think the 98 boot disk wouldn't have NTFS file system as a choice, but I have heard of fdisk and was headed in that direction at one point with search engines. 

Thanks for your help!

Warm wishes to the both of you,
Lisa Marie

756  General / Tips and tricks / [Tip]My experience - Dual boot Pardus and Windows XP on one hard drive on: September 26, 2008, 19:14:20 PM
(Note:  this is not a proper tip, but was written to share my experience with how I went about installing Pardus 2008.1.  I tend to find the hardest way to do things.   Smiley  So, the best tip I can give you if you want to know how to dual boot with Pardus and XP, is to go to the wiki how-to link that atolboo posted below, which is straight forward and easy to understand. )

"This is my fumbling attempt at a How To.   Cheesy 

I recently installed Pardus and I seemed to do everything wrong by messing up grub, fiddling with gparted and Ranish Partition Manager, corrupting ntldr, and misplacing MBR.  Many of you will laugh or think, “give a newbie a couple of partition managers, bad idea!”, but just in case this helps anyone.

I had XP Pro installed on a 150 GB hard drive partitioned as NTFS on half of the disk, and wanted to erase the current Linux distro that was on the remaining half and install Pardus 2008.1. 
I used a live-boot disk utility called Ultimate Boot CD and in it used Ranish Partition Manager to delete the Linux partitions (which included a swap space) and then proceeded to E (erase) which wrote zeros over the data of that partition.  Don't ask me why, but I always do this before installing or re-installing any operating system. 
 I then clicked S (save MBR ) and F2 (save file to disk), otherwise I would have messed up the master boot record.  Booted out of UBCD and restarted system and inserted Pardus 2008.1 Hyaena install disk and booted with CD drive first.  Clicked enter which started the boot up process.  Be ready to click F2 soon to arrow up to English language, or you will boot up with Turkish language.  I did this the first time, but no big deal. I restarted the disk and was ready for it the second time.  After going through the preliminary generic questions about default keyboard layout and time zone, I came to the Add User section.  I added the first user with administrative rights, and created a second user with no administrative rights.  Next screen was password to use for root.  Now comes the part where I messed up. 

Select the Partitioning Method:
-Automatic. Try to use free space or resize current partitions
-Delete all partitions
-No.  I'll partition my disk manually

I selected “Try to use free space...”.  With the other distros I have used, like ubuntu, for example, it would use the remaining free space, which would have been the remaining half of the disk's unused, unpartitioned space.  But Pardus chose to use the NTFS Windows partition, which was roughly 75 GB.  When I clicked next it showed a summary of how it would be installed, showing it would shrink the Windows partition down to about 43 GB and use the remaining space on that partition for Pardus.  I thought, huh? 

(I think the install would go easier for newbie's to Pardus or first time Linux users if this first selection was more accurate or clearly put.  If it says it will try to use free space, it should.  I am assuming here that free space is unused, unpartitioned space.  I think some term it unallocated space.  Pardus did the latter of Automatic and resized the current partition.)

I decided to select this just to see what it would do.  I came to the next field, the boot loader choice.  I wasn't sure, maybe it was because I wasn't used to the wording, or just wasn't thinking straight, or recently read up on where to install grub and became confused, but instead of selecting
“Install to first bootable disk (recommended)”, I chose the second selection,
worded something like, “install where Pardus is installed at”, and let the install process begin.
And what an install process:  beautiful icons to look at of programs that you will have at your fingertips, with a brief description of each program.  Nicely done, and wow, what a fast install of 11 minutes.  It says it will take about 30 minutes, depending on your system. 

I rebooted after compeletion and, boo-hoo, no Windows showed at grub boot menu, or maybe it was there at grub, but when I clicked on it, it brought me to a black error console, at this point my memory is a bit foggy as I had  tried another install and more fiddling and messed it up even more.  In the first install, while in Pardus I could see that Windows was there and shrunk down to 43 GB or so.  Just like it showed in the summary.   

Hey, no problem, as I read up on what I did wrong and was ready to try it again.  Others probably know enough about installation that they laugh at my mistakes, but remember, I'm a newbie.  I tried again, made more mistakes with using Ranish and was able to fix the system using the Wiki How to Restore Grub for Pardus.  I had my system back, but I was ready to try again, for I didn't want to leave my Windows partition resized.  I used Ranish Partiton manager to wipe the whole 150 GB disk.  You won't need to do this, but I was ready to make a clean install, instead of trying to resize existing partitions and fixing grub and the master boot loader.   I'd only installed XP recently, so it wasn't a problem for me.

With pnp disabled in BIOS, I inserted my nLite XP unattended installation disk, but this time resized the NTFS partition to 53 GB as I planned to have another smaller NTFS partition and install Pardus on the remaining unused space. So, let XP do its thing on the 53 GB partition, which allowed me to start a load of laundry, go pick green beans from the garden, give the chickens some food, and sit on the back porch. 

With that finally finished, I removed the XP install disk, rebooted, and inserted the Gnome Parted live disk partition utility.  It showed in a graph bar that XP was installed on 53 GB as NTFS.  Then I clicked on the unused space of the graph bar, which highlited it, and clicked “new” and “resize” and slid the bar to the left to create a partition of about 30 GB as NTFS file system.  I wanted to create this middle partition to use for placing movie files as I do a lot of video editing.  Clicked “apply” and then rebooted system.  Then upon restart of computer, inserted the Pardus install disk.  I was much more relaxed as I knew what I was doing this time. 
1. Select Partitioning Method:
and this time I selected
“No.  I'll partition my disk manually”
(I'll add here that I've never been able to figure out other distro's manual partioning choices.  Ubuntu's  selection confused me, [where do I put /root or /home?] , and  Fedora confused me even more.  I was expecting the same, but actually Pardus makes manual partitioning easy, as it tells you what you need, lets you use a slider bar to size it-no figuring out megabytes.  Nice job, Pardus team!)

2. Select the disk to apply selected method:
ATA WDC sda (149 GB)
Manual Partitioning shows a graph bar for my setup as
Disk 1 (sda)-149GB (59.0GB Free) with a W icon so I easily knew where XP was installed. 
I clicked on the right part of the bar, “Free Space 59.0BG” which highlited the it.  Went down to bottom left of screen and under
to use: 
“as Pardus System Files (mandatory)” well, we'll need that, won't we.
Since I wanted a swap space, I dragged the slider from the right hand side to the left until I felt it had left me about 8 GB of space.  (I read that a rule of thumb for Linux swap space is twice the size of your RAM. ) You can do the math for converting mb to gb if you don't know off hand.  I just guessed at how far to slide the bar.  “Format” box is automatically ticked.  Clicked “apply” and it changed the graph bar section I had highlighted and changed it to a blue colour.  And in this section it showed “Partition 5 Pardus will install here 52.0GB”  You can hover your cursor over it and it will show more information.  If you want to change and start again, click, “Reset all changes”.

This left me with a free space of 8.74 GB which showed in the graph.  I clicked on this part, which highlighted it, go to bottom left of page
use space:
“as swap space (optional) “
and I left slider bar alone to use remaining space for swap.  “Format” is automatically ticked.  Clicked “apply”.  Showed highlighted section of swap partition.  You can hover cursor over any section of graph and it will show specifications, such as path, size and file system.  Clicked “next”.
Bootloader Choice:
This time I selected the first choice, the recommended choice:
“Install to first bootable disk (recommended)”.  Clicked “next” and it shows a summary of where all will be installed, such as root and grub, etc. giving you all the information you need before you commit.  “Begin Install”.  Ah, such a pleasant install experience!  The big tick mark saying Pardus was installed successfully.   Click “reboot” and the disk ejects (even Fedora 9's live disk doesn't do this properly), the system restarts and I am greeted with a nice grub menu of Pardus or XP, which I am able to boot into both without any problems. 

Lisa Marie" 

757  General / Wish list / Suspend display about 20 minutes at log in screen [granted] on: September 26, 2008, 19:05:49 PM

Maybe Pardus 2008.1 does this, but I haven't seen it yet.  Oftentimes,  I boot up the computer and don't log in right away as I am doing other things, and I notice the log in screen is still visible well after 30 minutes have passed.  With other distro's there is usually a period of time when the display turns off or suspends, and with the move of the mouse or a click of the keyboard, resumes it.  This would be just a little wish function, and important if you have a CRT type display.   KPowersave does work great after logging in.

Thank you!

Lisa Marie
758  General / As seen on the internet / Re: new red dwarf eps for 2009.. on: September 26, 2008, 03:04:51 AM
Understood!   Cheesy  I really should read it.  My husband explained the babble fish to me, and this part alone made me interested in it.

Oh, and you know one of the catchiest songs I know is the one sung by "Cat" - Tongue tied, whenever you are near me...

759  General / Introduce yourself / Re: I finally made it to the good ship Pardus, from Arkansas, US on: September 26, 2008, 02:59:04 AM
Hi Terry, and you are welcome!  I am a newbie, so, keep this in mind!

Thanks for the warm welcome and glad to have you here!

Lisa Marie
760  General / Introduce yourself / Re: Hello from Roseville, Michigan on: September 26, 2008, 02:56:19 AM
Hey, who let the wise-cracker out?   Grin

Good to meet you, Terry! 

You sound like me in your past few years of trying out distros.  It's interesting to read the distros one has tried, and may try again in the future. 

About 3 years ago my husband brought home knoppix live disk.  Our old k7 cpu didn't like it, our lack of ram, so we never gave it a go, but I got to see what the kde desktop looked like.  Then someone recommended Simply Mepis, so I tried that and liked it very much.  Then I got a used iMac Tiger os and took a vacation from Mepis for a year or less.  So, I forgot all that I had learned (I have bad memory).  Then I had my husband get ubuntu feisty, and I couldn't get used to the layout, with the top bar pull down menus ( I still have this problem with os x).  I know I probably could have changed the desktop, but I didn't.  I also didn't like it's lack of straight out of the box dial-up support.  I had to use my other computer and go online to figure out wvdial.  I missed kde.  Then tried kubuntu gutsy and it was too buggy for my system.  I tried the live kubuntu 64 heron disk and installed it, but had problems with package updates---numerous for default setup and I lost sound in the end.  I didn't like kubuntu's anemic kde desktop.  Well, what could I expect, as most of the work goes into ubuntu and gnome.  So, I ended up getting steered away to Mint 5.0 kde community edition.  I liked it, but was getting boot error, and sound wasn't recognized.  ( You're yawning by now ) And then I tried Mint Elyssa and was very impressed.  They do a good job, but I still like kde and would rather have a good running kde distro.  So, now it is Pardus and I too am very pleased with it straight out of the box!  I, too, like the art work.  Who ever designed the icons did a great job.  I like that crazy cat!  Stability is so important.  If it isn't stable, one is going to leave it.  I so far see it as stable for my particular system. 

Enough of my jabbering.  Oh, my dad was born in Detroit, though his father originally was from middle Kentucky.  They don't make Verner's Ginger Ale soda like they used to.  Embarrassed

Oh, and I think I know what you mean about it being different.  I think that is what makes it alluring for me.  So many other distros seem to be re-hashes of others, or so of the ones that I have tried.  Pardus is refreshing!

Warmest regards,
Lisa Marie
761  Assistance / Software / Re: [solved] is build-essential necessary if I install software manually on: September 26, 2008, 02:36:39 AM
That's very helpful to know.  Double-solved!   

Thanks guys.

Warm regards,
Lisa Marie
762  Assistance / Software / [solved] is build-essential necessary if I install software manually on: September 25, 2008, 19:27:07 PM

I usually install build-essential and automake in case I install software manually that isn't in the package manager.  This may not be needed as I am still learning what is in PiSi package manager and all that I need may be included.  For instance, at first I couldn't find k9copy, and thought I was going to need to install this manually.  I eventually found it in PiSi. But...just in case...
I see automake is installed, but I do not see build-essential in PiSi package manager.  Is it necessary, or is there something similiar in PiSi? 

Lisa Marie
763  General / As seen on the internet / Re: new red dwarf eps for 2009.. on: September 25, 2008, 19:18:57 PM
ah yes, one of my favourite Britcoms (British comedies), especially if you like science fiction.  I recently saw the movie, "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and thought the writers of RedDwarf must have been fans of Mr. Douglas book, (though I've never read the book, but my husband has ), for many things reminded me of RD series. 

When I first saw this series about 10 years ago, it was hard to get into when starting from the second or third season, and some of the jokes and lines were crude, but eventually I got hooked on it.  I especially liked the one where Rimmer and Lister are shipwrecked and where Lister burns some of Rimmer's books to keep them warm in the cold ship.   

Lisa Marie
764  General / Introduce yourself / Re: I finally made it to the good ship Pardus, from Arkansas, US on: September 25, 2008, 19:12:11 PM
lashni, it is good that you no longer lurk, as you give good help to those with Pardus. 

Willem, Thank you for the warm welcome, too.  I did run into a slight problem, but I wanted to work it out myself and see what I did wrong.  I will see if I can write a tips and tricks how-to for those installing with windows on one disk.  I accidently messed up mbr and grub, and if it wasn't for the wiki on how to restore grub, I would have not understood what I did wrong.  But, I went ahead and did a clean re-install of both operating systems to see if I could get it right a second time.  I eventually did.  Smiley 

Sometimes you just have to take a break, go outside for a bit, do some chores,  wash your face with cold water, have a kaffee, stop thinking about it and give it another try.  Don't panic.   Wink  When I panic, I can't think straight. 

Warm regards,
Lisa Marie
765  General / Introduce yourself / Re: I finally made it to the good ship Pardus, from Arkansas, US on: September 23, 2008, 17:30:31 PM
Thank you for the warm welcome! 

lashni, I suppose it is strange, but one thing I always do when I am interested in a distro is to check over the forum threads, so I can get familiar with some of the programs and problems others encounter.  But, you are right, this is the first time I joined a forum before trying the OS. 

Looks like I have some typo's to correct in my post. 

Lisa Marie
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