Hi Mhmrcs,

Hmm, I'm not sure about bloated, but it does come with many applications.  Maybe I don't notice the bloat as I have tried it on my current system which has lots of stomach room.   In fact, I am reinstalling it now.  I've been having a few problems with Mint KDE CE 5 version as it reminds me of the scenerio with Kubuntu - more effort is put into Gnome than KDE when it comes to Ubuntu offspring/kids.  Still Mint KDE is a notch above Kubuntu (I tried feisty as well as gutsy versions).  I'm a visual person and am highly attracted to Mint's Gnome and KDE desktop look, but this is just the outside of the automobile, the inside parts I have found to be more easy to use and the layout is much better than Ubuntu.   Just more common sense put into it.  I believe this latest version of Mint KDE CE 5 is in its testing stage and the final release is supposed to come out in the next few months, or so I believe.   I could be wrong there. 

I was able to successfully install the nVidia proprietary drivers in Mint Gnome Elyssa, so this kind of tells me that nVidia is probably working more closely with the Gnome desktop,  (great, I get a nice boot splash that says, "NVIDIA" just before log-in screen to remind me I'm using "their" drivers.    ), but it did get rid of a flicker just after logging in.  But with Pardus, I never got the flicker and the fonts are very crisp, much like a Mac desktop.  That tells me something about Pardus, that one doesn't need these third party drivers for a great visual experience, at least not for me. 

The reason I am installing it is because I get to play with some of the oddball applications that are in the ubuntu repositories that aren't in the Pardus repositories.   

Regards,
Lisa Marie

at the Linux Mint newsletter that mentioned the release of Mint KDE CE 5 Elyssa back in September.  Someone posted to the blog to take a look at Pardus and I had to check it out.  I did.  I'm glad I did!

Lisa Marie

Oh no Alan! You didn't install...nvidia-settings?    Just kidding you, but I installed this yesterday too as well as nvidia-xconfig, and I also got the "you do not appear to be" error, but it also said,  "Please run nvidia-xconfig as root and restart server".  Something like that anyway and that is how I lost my x11 kde desktop.  If I had to do it all over again, I would just install nvidia-drivers-new from Display Manager as that is what I did a couple weeks ago and had no problems.  It was when I also installed nvidia-settings from package manager that I got in trouble. And, as Mhmrcs, what can one expect from third-party drivers?  nVidia has some work to do to make the install process work better. 

A big welcome, Alan!

Regards,
Lisa Marie

Hi waf,

I understand that if one does a kernel update/upgrade, one needs to reinstall proprietary drivers. 

I hope others will help here, but if it were me, I would go to Display Manager and it "should" ask you that you can install drivers for your card, and then take you to PiSi - just like when you first installed the nvidia drivers the first time through Display Manager.


I'm somewhat grinning as this happened to me yesterday when I installed nvidia drivers through Mint KDE using the utility Hardware Drivers-configure third-party....  It downloaded, did something and when I rebooted system, the icons were huge, the fonts fuzzy and small, and I was stuck at 800x600.  I ended up re-installing the operating system.  Try the above and see if that works.

Lisa Marie

Hi all,

I get the other distro up and running by logging in to safe mode and it had a utlity called xfix or something like that and I selected it and it rewrote the x11 file and I was able to log in to my kde destop.  Now I have about 6 various xorg.conf files and backup files there. 

In the other distro I mounted Pardus and did some looking about for any clues.
I looked at the var/log/xorg.0.log and the section concerning nvidia said:

Loading extension xfree86DRI
Loadmodule: "nvidia"
warning, couldn't open module
unloadmodule: "nvidia"
failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist,0)
load module: "kde"

I don't understand this for when I did a search for anything nvidia in Pardus, it shows two folders with the modules:
lib/modules/2.6.25.16-108/extra/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko
and
lib/modules/2.6.25.16-108/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidia.new.ko
(edited to add: I thought about this and figure these two modules are the Pardus default nVidia modules, not the proprietary third-party drivers.)

Oddly I recall with my initiall Pardus install about a month ago, I had no problem when I used Display Manager to install the necessary driver(s), but was I actually using it?  I think the difference was that this time while I had PiSi package manager opened, I also selected  "nvidia-settings" (the nV X server settings tool) and "nvidia-xconfig" (configuration tool), whereas the first time I only installed "nvidia-drivers-new".  As for the other distro and using Envy to auto-detect and install the drivers, it automatically installs "nvidia-settings".   But I wonder do I need these two utilities for settings and nvidia-xconfig to actually use the driver(s)?  I;ve read about someone else losing their X11 session after installing nVidia-settings (ubuntu forum), so I'm obviously not alone. 

The good news is I got my desktop back.  I had to use PhiX's fix.  Thanks again, gentlemen!

So, a last question, is anyone else using nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig...without problems? 

Regards,
Lisa Marie

Moin Moin all,

(I haven't had my koffee, yet  )

Thanks so much Mhmrcs, PhiX and atolboo and I'm about to give it a whirl. I'll let you know how it goes.

Oh, to top it off, with my other distro I went ahead and let the Envy driver utility GUI download and install the nVidia driver as well, and this morning, turning on computer, that distro has also lost the log-in screen.  The difference though is with Pardus at least the console/terminal screen gives me option to login, but with this other distro, I am just getting a flashing cursor at the beginning after last line.   

Kind regards and sincere thanks,
Lisa Marie

Hi all,

I should have read the NVIDIA how-to before I did this, but too late now.

This is what happened.  I recently did a reinstall of Pardus 2008.1 and went ahead and used Display Manager which told me there are nVidia drivers for my card, so I let it open PiSi and chose the -new nVidia drivers as mine is a GeForce 8500.  I also ticked the two utilities that are part of nVidia, the xconfig something, and another nVidia-settings - Sorry, I'm going by memory here.  Anyway, after downloading the drivers, and the two utilities, I went to system and there was nVidia-settings GUI and I clicked on it, and it said that I'm not using nVidia driver in X11 and should run nvidia-xconfig as root and restart xserver.  Since I was in my user (no admin. priveleges) account, I logged out of that session and started my admin. user session, and did the same thing, clicked on the nVidia-settings GUI and it said the same thing.  So I opened terminal, did a su, typed in my password and then ran nvidia-xconfig and it said an error (I can't remember what ) and said it would make a back up of X11 config file.  So, I restarted the system and now I have no log in screen, just a console screen that you would see without the splash screen and
me-pardus login: (flashing cursor)
I type in my user with admin. rights and password it brings me to
useradmin-pardus ~$
and I don't know where to go from here...as in...what do I type.  I recall last year needing to type in "dpkg kde something" but I don't want to start randomly typing in stuff until I ask you folks. 

Simply put, I can't log in to my lovely KDE desktop. 

In my other distro, I can mount Pardus and in /etc/X11/ there are two files a xorg.conf and a xorg.conf.backup.   The xorg.conf is the new file generated with the nVidia settings. Should I try to delete it? 

Regards,
Lisa Marie

Hi Linuzoid,

More great artwork!!

I admit, that cute cat with the snarl is not mine.  I will change him out to one of my own as I have six and a digital camera!  I got that picture from doing a search for "funny cat pictures".  I too am a big fan of Garfield. 

Thanks again Mhmrcs, as I will try that.  I have a picture of my cat that I really like and would like a dimmed down colour of the Pardus boot splash screen.  I will give it a try.  Again, thank you!

Lisa  Marie

Thanks so much for the tips, Mhmrcs!  You know, in the past two weeks dial up has become very slow.  I don't know if it is something on my part, or due to current USA news and people are on line more because of it. 

I tend to avoid using plug-ins as much as possible.  Call me Paranoid!  I tend to see them as added bloat.  But, what I do is turn off "automatically load images" and that helps a lot, as well as often I turn of Java Script, but it is getting more difficult to view web pages as they rely more and more on JS.  Back in the early days of our dial up internet time of the mid-90's. we would surf with JS  & JAVA disabled and had no problems with viewing web pages.   I will look into the adblock.  I can't stand looking at ads that wiggle and jiggle and scroll - makes me dizzy.  Like being in Las Vegas at night. 

Regards,
Lisa Marie

And a late Welcome Azra, but we've said hello, afore.   

Funny you should mention this about losing your title.  I was recently thinking how I would like mine to stay "Newbie" as I don't know much about LINUX.   If I post enough to reach that level, I'll trade you my master for newbie.   

Lisa Marie

Hi Forum,

I'm always interested in Browser information, especially being on dial-up.

I've never tried Google Chrome, and only found out about it today.  It is open sourced, but at the moment, no working Linux version yet.   

http://dev.chromium.org/

I agree! 
Let's see, coming out of the wood work to me means people showing up out of nowhere because of something important to them or something they want to partake in.  They seem to come from everywhere, even the wood work.   

Regards,
Lisa Marie

Hi frisil,

And sorry to say I for one do not have  an answer, but maybe someone will.

I don't know if it matters, but one thing I always do before installing an operating system on a partition or a blank hard drive is wipe it with zeros, and sometimes I do this four times.  I use Ranish from the disk, Ultimate Boot Utility.  Again, this probably wouldn't solve your problem, but I have noticed that if I don't run zeros over the disk and re-install the same OS over it, it is like it remembers some  of the data from the previous install.  I also do this to remove any possible virus that could be on the disk from the manufacturer.  I guess this is my tip for day.  But you probably were already aware of this. 

You are using more than one LINUX OS, are these all chain loaded in one grub menu.lst?  Just a thought, but yesterday when I plugged in my speakers I had no sound in both Pardus and Linux Mint KDE.  I had done some updates for both distros in the past week, and one of them was alsa and one arTs, besides lots of other updates that always shows up in Ubuntu distros.  But, this is for another thread.  I couldn't help but think that an update I did in one distro affected both.  Probably just a coincidence. 

Lisa Marie

(Mhmrcs, you fooled me.  I thought they were coming out of the woodwork, as the saying goes.    )

This is nice to greet those that were never formerly welcomed.  Greetings to all!

Lisa Marie

Welcome Linuzoid, and thanks for creating the nice wallpaper for Pardus.  I did a a search and came up with this:

http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Pardus+PlexiLogo+Wallpaper?content=91500

I'd like to create a wallpaper, but don't know how.  I was thinking of putting my orange kitty in it - Tom Toots.  He's cute! 

Nice work!  Keep it up!

Regards,
Lisa Marie