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316  General / The Pub / Re: the threat of popularity on: October 22, 2008, 23:18:37 PM
Linux proof-of-concept virii, if worked upon can be made into reality... I personally don't have any experience of a Linux virus despite downloading heavily using P2P links (I could be downloading Windows virii for I know though lol). But if you say so, so be it, I'm sure you have more experience with Linux than I.
317  General / Introduce yourself / Re: Live, Breathe, Die, Pardus. on: October 22, 2008, 23:00:20 PM
Thanks  Grin, really nice of you to say, but I obviously still have a lot to live up to - Pardus master lol, congrats
318  General / The Pub / Re: the threat of popularity on: October 22, 2008, 22:54:53 PM
Lol, "Microsoft" and "security" are two words that should not even be used in the same sentence...

I don't mean to argue with you, but virii do exist on Linux:
Trojans
    * Kaiten - Linux.Backdoor.Kaiten trojan horse[6]
    * Rexob - Linux.Backdoor.Rexob trojan[7]
[edit] Viruses
    * Alaeda - Virus.Linux.Alaeda[8]
    * Bad Bunny - Perl.Badbunny[5][9]
    * Binom - Linux/Binom[10]
    * Bliss
    * Brundle[11]
    * Bukowski[12]
    * Diesel - Virus.Linux.Diesel.962[13]
    * Kagob a - Virus.Linux.Kagob.a[14]
    * Kagob b - Virus.Linux.Kagob.b[15]
    * MetaPHOR (also known as Simile)[16]
    * Nuxbee - Virus.Linux.Nuxbee.1403[17]
    * OSF.8759
    * Podloso - Linux.Podloso (The iPod virus)[18][19]
    * Rike - Virus.Linux.Rike.1627[20]
    * RST - Virus.Linux.RST.a[21]
    * Satyr - Virus.Linux.Satyr.a[22]
    * Staog
    * Vit - Virus.Linux.Vit.4096[23]
    * Winter - Virus.Linux.Winter.341[24]
    * Winux (also known as Lindose and PEElf[25]
    * ZipWorm - Virus.Linux.ZipWorm[26]
[edit] Worms
    * Adm - Net-Worm.Linux.Adm[27]
    * Adore[28]
    * Cheese - Net-Worm.Linux.Cheese[29]
    * Devnull
    * Kork[30]
    * Linux/Lion (also known as Ramen)
    * Mighty - Net-Worm.Linux.Mighty[31]
    * Millen - Linux.Millen.Worm[32]
    * Slapper[33]
    * SSH Bruteforce[34]
> Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses

Also, the number of virii on Linux rose from 422 to 863 just in 2006. (Source: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3601946)

Tor proxy keeps your privacy also, but it makes web browsing very difficult, and impossible on many pages.

I'm not arguing against Linux security which I think is better than other OS', but denying the existence of vulernabilities that can be exploited in free software (even in the Linux kernel) will not help us.

PRDS4LYF Tongue
319  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: [solved]Administrator's password not accepted on: October 22, 2008, 22:37:48 PM
Fair point, I get what you mean, thanks Smiley
320  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: [solved]Administrator's password not accepted on: October 22, 2008, 22:25:32 PM
Exactly, isn't the personal data at risk if someone makes your system inusable because they have admin. priviledges?

(PhiX - Sorry if I appear argumentative lol)
321  General / The Pub / Re: the threat of popularity on: October 22, 2008, 22:11:26 PM
We will always be at the mercy of distributors, for exmaple, that EULA Firefox shipped out, Firefox patented logo, Canonical proprietary nature, Google claims to be open source and produces open source work such as Chrome but the user is at the mercy of its cookie-handling. Whilst you may be able to edit programs which contain spyware etc, most people are in no position to convince others to install it on their computers, i.e. brand. Furthermore, everyone having access to the source code means everyone can edit the program, for better or worse, its like Wikipedia, while its generally a good thing, there is the occcasionally mishap that would not occur under a proprietary regime. The diversity of programs and distros in Linux leaves distros with poor community at the mercy of hackers as they are not likely to respond as quickly to virii.

"Linux however is not completely immune. With enough help from the user and access to an administrator's password, viruses can do damage to your system. Let's take for example Bliss, a concept virus developed for POSIX-compatible systems. It was first sighted at the beginning of 1997 and lacks the stealth characteristics we see in modern viruses. It tries to infect and attach itself to binary files that are writable and copy itself on other machines through rsh. Being a concept virus, it even keeps a log of all infected files in /tmp/.bliss. Running the virus as root results in an attempt to patch the kernel source, if present. The fun part is that Bliss can be removed from the system by simply using the --bliss-uninfect-files-please option."
> Source: http://www.mylro.org/content/view/1088/52/

You may only delete cookies manually or automatically >after< you've browsed the internet and the cookies pile up. Google (Google, might I add, uses OpenBSD mainly so it is UNIX) still catalogues all of these cookies despite claiming to want to be the model for open source through such projects as Google Code etc.

I think the only reason Linux has no virii is simply because there are few number of people that use Linux, whilst I admit virii can be patched faster (given there is a community), Linux is as succeptible as any OS to malware - which explains the md5sum and sha1sum checksums > they exist to protect against malware which Linux is succeptible to.

"I think a high market share for Linux on the Desktop can only bring good things (out-of-the-box hardware support, commercial software, etc.), due to the very nature of Free software."
I don't understand, you're implying "commercial software" is a good thing due to the nature of free software?
Linux already has ootb support (for a wide range of hardware), in order for Linux to have a large market share the drivers must already exist for the users to use their computers i.e. not be brought about by a market share.

While I think Linux is the best thing since sliced bread, I don't think we should think ourselves immune to the problems that affect other OSs, this will lead to complacency
322  General / The Pub / Re: the threat of popularity on: October 22, 2008, 20:19:18 PM
I fear the day of the mass revolution... No offense to the general public, but the idea of a GUI-driven project where developers have to cater to the simplest of needs is simply degrading to the users of said operating system. Microsoft is the most mass-driven OS in current history, its a disaster despite the fact the people have written more code for the Windows platform than any other. Linux available to the masses means that people with malicious intent will try to create virii and hack other people's computers at a rate that cannot be controlled by even the most advanced of security software.

323  General / The Pub / Re: I need help to do a Turkish/Türkçe translation on: October 22, 2008, 20:10:54 PM
If you ever need anything translating into Romanian, I'll be more than happy to help Smiley
324  General / The Pub / Re: Just back from Istanbul... on: October 22, 2008, 20:07:03 PM
Romania is just the same... only with stray dogs... good thing they don't develop any good distros or its name would be pretty weird. (Although... K9 (pronounced: kay-nine) would be a pretty cool name... lol)

Glad you had fun there, I'm hoping to go to Turkey next year Tongue
325  General / The Pub / Re: Just starting my blog on: October 22, 2008, 20:04:45 PM
I've read some of your articles, they're very good, did you mean to write "tax" or "tux"? lol
326  General / The Pub / Re: Pardus Wiki Translations? on: October 22, 2008, 20:02:53 PM
Now that PardusWiki is available in English, people should contribute, however little, to translating it into their own native language.
327  General / The Pub / Re: Pardus is awesome on: October 22, 2008, 20:01:28 PM
Amen.

I can't believe the majority of people would pay more for an operating system simply because they trust it/dont know any better.

You should try Ubuntu, its the one unique Linux experience you are missing. Its far inferior to Pardus, but its worth trying out to complete your pallette Smiley
328  Assistance / Pardus Project / Re: Translation issues / REQUEST on: October 22, 2008, 19:49:47 PM
I'm translating .pot files in Romanian at the moment, it'll be included in the next release, whilst there won't be many Romanian users, it'll be there for anyone to use. I think speaking a foreign language and using Pardus makes it a duty to make it available to others, meanwhile Pardus would do well to make more .pot files available that translates web pages.
329  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: [solved]Administrator's password not accepted on: October 22, 2008, 19:44:04 PM
I'm probably missing something which is going to make this post sound pretty much retarded:
Isn't the ability to make the current user Administrator a security hole?
330  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Installing Pardus Calisan 2008.1 on: October 22, 2008, 19:42:16 PM
Calisan = Live.
Kurulan = Install.
Still seperate.
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