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16  General / As seen on the internet / Re: Linux then and now. on: August 29, 2011, 02:43:21 AM

Good find, John A.! Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

I'm glad that you returned to the forum.  Smiley
17  General / General topics / Re: Pardus 2011.1 on: July 12, 2011, 06:28:00 AM
For those who are already running Pardus 2011, it appears that the large update to 2011.1 has arrived. I checked PiSi tonight (July 11) and it indicated that there were 216 packages available for upgrading [a 316 MB download]. As noted above, this will update your base KDE system from 4.5.5 to 4.6.5 -- along with numerous other changes.

The update and installation took approx. 1 hour on our medium-speed DSL connection. After rebooting the computer immediately following the update, everything is working fine so far ... (I'm always amazed that these large, complex updates can go so smoothly).

2011.1's release name, Dama Dama, is the scientific name of the Fallow Deer (also known as the Mesopotamian Fallow Deer):


According to the IUCN's website, the fallow deer is under serious threat in its Turkish native range:

"The IUCN [International Union for Conservation of Nature] Red List of Threatened Species."

2011.1 also includes a new wallpaper featuring a photo of a fallow deer:

Many thanks to the Pardus developers for releasing this updated version!

18  Assistance / Hardware / Re: a motherboard that cannot be initialized with linux? on: June 28, 2011, 15:43:17 PM
Hi, Cnaeus,

I did some searching (as time permitted) and it sounds like this motherboard is problematic with Linux. Many of the posts I saw were old, dating back to 2005-2006.

However, I did run across this more recent link, which might be helpful:

"Instalar Ubuntu 9.10 con placa base ASRock P4i65GV." ['Installing Ubuntu 9.10 on an ASRock P4i65GV motherboard'] 22 Jan. 2010.

The OP indicates that there is a compatibility problem with the AGP graphics card, so the solution is to disable it in the BIOS settings before attempting to run a Live Linux CD and perform an installation.

He does note that the GeForce GPU does not work, if you try to use it following your Linux install. (I don't know if that might have been remedied with more recent Linux kernels ...)

If you don't read Spanish, you could run this through Google Translate. (I did not have time to read through all the comments):


19  General / Tips and tricks / Re: [how-to] Dual-Booting Windows 7 and Pardus 2011 on the HP Mini 210 Netbook on: June 26, 2011, 19:03:48 PM
Hi, atolboo,

Many thanks for reading through this and offering corrections / suggestions; I appreciate it! Please give me a little time and I will modify both my original forum post and the LaTeX-ed PDF document.

Now I better understand something ... I first tried to create a bootable / installable USB thumbdrive with a Pardus 2011-i686 .iso image on it, using Unetbootin. I did this from within my PCLinuxOS installation (which has Unetbootin available) because that is where I had downloaded and saved the Pardus .iso. However, it didn't work; the thumbdrive would not boot. I quickly forgot about that failure.  Sad  

I was successful when I followed your (clear!) instructions in the Wiki and used Isowriter from within Pardus 2011 to create the USB thumbdrive image. It worked perfectly.

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with us.

I am very pleased with how well Pardus 2011 is running on the HP Mini 210. Its performance has increased following my RAM upgrade to 2 GB, but it was running satisfactorily (IMHO) before with 1 GB. So if money is tight and you cannot do an upgrade right away, you will probably be fine with the default RAM.

Right now, the only thing that I am using Windows 7 Starter for is to work on our checkbook with GnuCash. I use KMyMoney and am a big fan of the program, but I use GnuCash as a backup. (I have tried compiling GnuCash from source on Pardus 2011 but haven't been able to get it to work because of dependency problems).

Thanks to Team Pardus for their excellent work.

20  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Missing dependency for mandriva-seed on: June 26, 2011, 07:26:30 AM
I can't find isowriter listed in the Package Manager.

Hi, JoanRC,

I'm guessing that the reason you're not seeing it is because you first have to add the pardususer.de repo to your repository list to install the utility. Please take a look here:


I added Isowriter to my Pardus 2011 installation a few weeks ago and have used it once. It was working fine, so unless something has changed very recently that I'm not aware of ...


21  General / Tips and tricks / [how-to] Dual-Booting Windows 7 and Pardus 2011 on the HP Mini 210 Netbook on: June 26, 2011, 07:03:51 AM
After doing a lot of research on netbooks, we decided to buy an HP Mini 210. We have been using it about two weeks now and are happy with it.

The HP Mini 210 netbook is powered by an Intel Atom N455 CPU, with 1 GB of RAM, a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive, a Broadcom 4313 802.11b/g/n wireless chipset and a 10.1” screen. It also ships with Windows 7 Starter Edition as its default operating system. Based on my experience so far with the HP Mini, it seems to be a very Linux-friendly device. So if you choose to completely erase Windows, I think that you would have most of the hardware functionality you need in a Linux-only setup.

The RAM may be upgraded to a maximum of 2 GB. Adding extra RAM is very simple – almost idiot-proof – and the upgrade can be done in less than 10 minutes for about $25-30 US. (Its User Guide provides instructions on the memory upgrade; there are also several how-to videos on Youtube). I ordered a 2 GB RAM module online from Crucial:

2GB, 204-pin SODIMM, DDR3 PC3-10600 memory module
Part Number:  CT1946647


This guide outlines how to prepare the hard drive of an HP Mini 210-2180NR netbook so that Pardus 2011 Linux can be installed in a dual-boot setup. As the HP Mini does not have a built-in optical drive, you will need to have several things ready beforehand: a USB thumbdrive which has a Pardus 2011 .iso burned on it with a utility such as Isowriter or Unetbootin; another USB thumbdrive which has either the GParted Partition Editor, or a Live Linux distro such as Puppy (which includes GParted as part of its standard applications).

< Edit: Please see atolboo's comment in the post below. The Pardus 2011 .iso can only be handled with Isowriter or Mandriva Seed. The Pardus Wiki has clear instructions on how to accomplish this.

Also, for the HP Mini 210, make sure to use the Pardus-2011-i686 .iso -- not the 64-bit version. >

Although the installation steps are specific to Pardus 2011, the preparatory steps are distro-neutral and should be valid for freeing up disk space for any Linux variety you wish.


Although this may contain a few errors or inaccuracies, this procedure worked for me; I hope that it will save you time and work for you also. I have tried to carefully document the steps I followed. However, I confess that I have never installed Microsoft Windows from scratch or had to recover / restore it. So there might be some things I have overlooked.

I offer no guarantee that this how-to will work with 100% accuracy on your system.

The procedure presented here is an abridged, bare-bones version. A more complete document in PDF format (17 p., 453 kB, with screenshots) may be downloaded from my Dropbox Public folder:


< Edit: I have revised this document, based on atolboo's corrections. Thank you Smiley >

The hard-drive of the HP Mini is pre-formatted with all four of its primary partitions occupied, thereby making it difficult to install another operating system. Also, the netbook does not ship with any recovery or installation discs, so if you want to preserve Windows 7 Starter in a dual-boot setup, you should proceed carefully.

GParted reported the original partitioning arrangement as follows:

Windows 7 Starter Edition identifies /sda2 as Local Disk (C:). It is by far the largest partition [214.52 GB] and is used for storing Windows program files, user files, etc.

Important: This conservative approach does not touch either the Windows SYSTEM partition (sda1) or the RECOVERY partition (sda3). The Recovery partition of the HP Mini includes a stern warning that its files should not be altered or deleted, and that doing so could prevent a system recovery in the future.

1. Defragment (“defrag”) your hard drive.

Use the Disk Defragmenter utility on the C: drive (from within Windows 7). The Disk Defragmenter made a total of 10 passes; this took approx. 45-50 minutes on my netbook.

2. Shrink the C: drive using Windows' Disk Management utility.

Next, I used the Windows 7 Disk Management utility to shrink the C: drive. (I previously read online that the most cautious approach to freeing up disk space is to use this native Windows tool). The utility will query the partition -- this will take some time -- and state an amount by which it can be shrunk.

Due to “unmovable” Windows 7 files, you may be unable to shrink the partition as much as you would like. These unmovable files run within the Windows operating system, thus making themselves “in use” and therefore, impossible to move.

After running the Disk Management tool, I was able to shrink the partition by 94.74 GB; we will use this free space to install Pardus. However, there there are still four primary partitions in place: System; C:; Recovery (D:); and HP_Tools. This means we must delete one of them to allow for a Linux install.

3. Copy the content from the HP_Tools partition to a USB thumbdrive or an external hard drive as backup. (It is not a large amount of files -- approximately 12 MB – so it can easily fit on a thumbdrive).

4. Use GParted to delete this partition (/sda4).

After shrinking Windows' /sda2 partition and deleting HP_Tools (sda4), GParted reported the arrangement below:

5. Use GParted to create an Extended partition on the unallocated 94.74 GB of space. (An Extended partition may include as many logical partitions inside it as you wish). I allocated this Extended partition's space as follows:

6. Copy the original files from the HP_Tools partition from the USB thumbdrive back to your newly created /sda8 partition.

7. Now we are ready to install Linux. Since the Mini lacks an optical drive, the most convenient installation medium is a USB thumbdrive / flash drive which has been prepared beforehand with a Pardus 2011 .iso image. There is a detailed tutorial available on the Pardus Wiki:


(Note: If you have access to a wired Ethernet connection, I recommend that you use it during the installation and while performing your first update(s).)

The Pardus installer (YALI, 'Yet Another Linux Installer') worked flawlessly on the HP Mini. It correctly detected the default screen resolution (1024 x 600) and had no problems with the integrated Intel video. It also immediately detected my Logitech M305 wireless USB mouse.

8. Since I had already set up my partitions with GParted, when YALI reached the partitioning section of its installation routine, I selected the “Custom Partitioning” option.

9. Allow Pardus to install Legacy GRUB (0.97) to the MBR of your hard drive (/sda). It will detect the Windows 7 operating system and present you with three Windows choices in the main GRUB menu:

  • sda1 (which correctly boots Windows 7 Starter)
  • sda2 (which is not bootable) and
  • sda3 (the Windows Recovery Manager)

Hint: I recommend not booting up the Recovery partition. I wanted to confirm that it was bootable, so I started it up one time. Once I verified that it was working, I exited without making any changes. However, I have been unable to reboot into it since then; I get a Disk Error message.

Broadcom WiFi

To my surprise, the Broadcom BCM4313 wireless LAN controller worked out-of-the-box. There are several packages which are installed by default in Pardus to support this hardware item; I believe they are b43-firmware, b43-fwcutter, module-broadcom-wl and module-broadcom-wl-userspace. Although I am unsure exactly which ones accomplish this “magic” under the hood, I am grateful it is such a painless experience.

Apparently this model of HP Mini ships with a few different wireless chipsets. To pinpoint which chipset you have, you can issue these commands from your Konsole (Terminal):

$ lspci | grep -i wireless

$ lspci -nn | grep Network

$ lspci | grep Broadcom

Pardus will identify your WiFi connection as eth1.

Good luck! I hope you'll have fun using Pardus on your HP Mini 210.

22  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Installing & Running Pardus on: May 28, 2011, 21:33:20 PM
So, if sharing with another operating system make sure to prepare your drive with free space (unallocated) before booting with the install CD.
 I installed both ways at different times and it took care of my boot options on install without a hitch. No problems should occur if Windows is the first install. If windows is installed "after" the Pardus install that may create a different issue.

Since it sounds like you may be a new Linux user, I'd just like to add some extra clarification to Freebird's good advice. To prepare your hard drive before you attempt to install Pardus, i.e., to create free space ("partitions") onto which Pardus can be installed, there a couple of user-friendly tools available:

GParted Live CD

or, a Puppy Linux Live CD will also have GParted (along with other goodies):


Basically, what you will do is shrink your existing Windows partition and create two new partitions for your Pardus installation.

I don't know the capacity of your current hard drive, but just to give you an idea / initial suggestion for partition type(s) and sizes, I think this would be a reasonable starting point:

a root partition (labelled as "/") of 10-12 GB in size, with an ext4 file system

(My root partition is 12 GB, but if your space is tight, you can probably get by with a root partition of 2-3 GB).

a home partition (labelled as "/home") for your personal files (Documents, Photos, Downloads, etc.) of 10-20 GB, with an ext4 file system

(My /home partition is 25 GB, but if you need to make it smaller and don't plan on saving a lot of files here, you could create a 2-3 GB partition).

These are only suggestions which are worth about 0.02's each ...  Smiley

For extra help, please read the Installation Instructions on the Pardus Wiki:



The Installation Instructions for Pardus 2009 are still available. You might want to look at them also, because they are more detailed than the 2011 instructions -- especially with the partitioning steps. If I remember correctly, there have not been major changes made to YALI.

23  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Installing & Running Pardus on: May 28, 2011, 21:06:29 PM
Hi, deerb,

I don't know the answer to all your questions, so I will stick to the ones I'm comfortable with answering ...

2. Is is possible to run Pardus directly from the DVD before it is installed, so that you can actually get used to it before finally installing it on the spare hard drive, as you are able to do with some other distros

Yes, there is a Pardus 2011 Live DVD available for download:


This would allow you to try out the OS before installing it to your hard drive. However, if memory serves, you cannot install from the Live DVD itself; you would also need to download the Install DVD if you wish to install Pardus.

If I'm wrong on this point, I hope that someone will correct me.

4. Does YALI automatically create a duel boot system automatically, or do you have to create one, and if so, how?

By "dual-boot," I'm assuming that you mean a dual boot with Windows ... Although I don't run Windows at home, I believe that Pardus's YALI should detect your Windows system and offer to help you set up your Pardus boot accordingly.

Again, hopefully another forum member with a Windows dual-boot setup will post here to confirm that, and offer you specific help if you need it.

With regard to multibooting Linux distros with Pardus 2011, Pardus handles that very nicely. I currently multiboot four other Linux distros and I have Pardus's GRUB Legacy controlling them all. Its built-in Boot Manager utility (Computer > System Settings > Boot Manager) makes it convenient and painless to manage things.

24  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: A large update package release tonight. on: May 27, 2011, 18:57:50 PM
Hi, Kranthi,

The reason for that size difference you're seeing is because Pardus (and PiSi) use so-called "delta" packages. There is a non-technical explanation in the Wikipedia article on Pardus:

One of the most revolutionary and innovative changes with Pardus 2009 is the ability of delta packages, making it unnecessary to download the whole application in an update or upgrade. Consider that the application the user listens to his/her MP3 files has released a new version. It is not necessary to search for, find, download, uninstall the old version and install the new version by clicking many 'Next' buttons. Pardus Package Manager, running on top of PiSi, fetches all updates with the click of a button. In its simplest terms, Package Manager downloads only the 'difference' of the old and new versions, a small delta file in technical terms. With this new feature, updates are now no more than 10 percent of the original package in terms of size. In other terms, Pardus 2009 is the best friend of users with limited internet connectivity, preserving their quota, and as such is a model of efficiency, although delta files have been used by other distributors already.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardus_(operating_system)

I'm also a Fedora user, and Fedora switched over to using delta .rpm packages a few years ago. I believe that openSUSE and some other distros use delta packages as well.

25  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: A large update package release tonight. on: May 27, 2011, 06:15:08 AM
If you haven't updated your Pardus 2011 in a few days, you might want to read the message below about the large volume of new packages being released into the repositories on May 26:

"[Pardus-devel] [2011] New packages to go into stable repositories (2011-05-26)."

I checked my installation tonight and there was an avalanche of updates: 243 packages, with a download size of approx. 610 MB. Even with our (medium-speed) DSL connection, the download took about 1.5 hours to complete. However, after rebooting, everything seems to be working fine (knock on wood).

Just thought I'd mention this to give everyone a heads-up. I regularly check for updates but had not seen any for a while, so this one took me completely by surprise ...


26  Assistance / Configuring Pardus / Re: Nvidia driver on Pardus 2011 on: April 24, 2011, 20:01:06 PM

Thanks for alerting us to this fix. I tried it and it eliminated the black lines / specks; they haven't reappeared, even after several reboots.

I posted a comment on the Pardus Bugzilla tracker to personally thank Fatih for discovering this solution. Hope that's OK ...
27  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Pardus display problems while installing and after installation on: April 20, 2011, 06:52:01 AM
As for the PC, I could not install as after the first two screens (tiger one, and installation options), the screen goes blank for some time and then the display is garbled. This all is being done with the live version both on DVD and usb.


Does your PC have an Nvidia graphics card, by chance? If it does, please read the forum thread below; it has some good tips which might solve your problem:

"2011 won't install." 24 Jan. 2011.

If this approach doesn't work, please post some additional information about your PC hardware (CPU make/model, amount of RAM, video card, etc.) and some more details about where the installation process is hanging up ... If you could take a couple of screenshots with a digital camera, that would be also be very helpful.

For example, there are some screenshots of a Pardus 2011 installation here:


(A brief YouTube video)

Do you reach any of these screens before your PC hangs / freezes?


28  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus 2011 + XFCE [Nusrat] released on: March 22, 2011, 21:25:46 PM
i deleted link of nusrat. may be he cant realised that nusrat is a museum ship about wwI. cos i cant find any other sensible answer.

I was surprised to see the turn taken in this discussion thread, and (like golge and Michiel) am puzzled as to what's going on. Since it appears that Craig has left, we can only guess ... However, my guess is that it may have something to do with the name of the new Xfce release.

After doing some searching via Google (and with the help of Google Translate), I found the following:

This version is the name of the 18 March Martyrs' Day, within the meaning Nusrat ship is mine.

Source: http://tinyurl.com/494unv7

(Google Translate version of this original Turkish page:

http://comakp.blogspot.com/2011/03/pardus-2011-xfce-nusrat.html )

----- Some background information (in English) -----

(Brief) Wikipedia article on the ship Nusrat

(Brief) Wikipedia article on Martyrs' Memorial Day

So perhaps he was offended by the "militaristic" release name and nationalistic-patriotic overtones. I acknowledge that it is a departure from the (endangered) animal-theme release names we have seen from the Pardus project in the past. Since I'm not Turkish, it is difficult for me to put this into context and know whether the intention is militaristic or not ...  (Maybe I'm totally naive, but it appears that the idea of Martyrs' Memorial Day is very similar to the Memorial Day we observe here in the U.S. And IMHO, that holiday is not about glorifying war, but a somber reminder of the human cost of warfare, and a way to remember the soliders who gave their lives in the service of their country).

At any rate, I regret that this happened but I do not believe that you wrote anything inappropriate, golge. So I think your conscience can be clear.

It's probably best to let this topic drop and move on to other things.

< Edit: Changed URL of second Wikipedia article to fix broken link. >
29  General / Introduce yourself / Re: Hello there fellow Pardus Users on: February 18, 2011, 04:14:47 AM
Hi, Zwopper,

Welcome from me, also. I hope you will have a good experience with Pardus. It has worked well for me and I think the Pardus developers have done a great job.

I'd like to congratulate you on your beautiful artwork as well as thank you for making it available to the Linux community. Although I'm not currently running Mint, when I was, I downloaded several of your pieces and used them as my default wallpapers (rotating them regularly). Last night I visited your gallery for the first time in a while, and downloaded "Specthea" and "Wild Carbon"; I'm enjoying both of them.

When you have the time, it would be great if you could create some Pardus-themed wallpaper.

With best wishes,
30  General / General topics / Re: Updating packages for Pardus 2011 on: February 11, 2011, 01:58:23 AM
Hi, John A,

I use the Dutch repos and I can confirm csaenemy's report. Tonight PiSi alerted me that there were 10 updates available (15.2 MB). Here is a partial list of the updated packages:

baselayout 3.5.1
mudur 4.1.3
pisi 2.4_alpha2
package-manager 3.0.3
user-manager 3.0.2

I rebooted after the update, just to be safe, and everything seems to be fine. No problems.

This is the first update(s) I've had since I installed Pardus 2011. It's nice to see them working on this; I will try to wait patiently and just assume that they are being conservative about releasing updates.
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