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31  General / Fun website / Pardus wallpapers by h2okerim on: February 06, 2011, 20:32:05 PM
While searching for some 2011-themed wallpaper, I stumbled upon a deviantART webpage created by user ~h2okerim (Kerim):

http://h2okerim.deviantart.com/gallery/8471891

He has some very nice artwork, IMHO, and his wallpaper is available in several different resolutions -- including resolutions suitable for widescreen monitors.

Now I have a few new wallpapers to add to my collection of favorites (which include some done by Linuzoid, who I hope will create something to celebrate the release of Pardus 2011).
32  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Grub2 entry Pardus 2011 on: February 05, 2011, 21:50:19 PM
My difference between scorptig's install and mine is that he had installed Pardus on his already existing Linux OS distro that uses grub2.  I on the other hand installed kanotix w/ grub2 on top of an already existing Pardus and its grub on MBR. 

Hi, Lisa,
Thanks for chiming in on this thread.

I know from experience that Pardus' Legacy GRUB (when controlling the MBR) can boot GRUB 2-based distros without a problem. At different times, I have installed Mint, Ubuntu and Debian Squeeze -- all of which use GRUB 2 as their bootloader. (Actually, at the moment I'm also trying out Salix OS [a very nice Slackware-based distro], which uses LILO as its default bootloader. I got Pardus to boot it successfully after some trial and error).

Although I know how to manually edit GRUB stanzas in /boot/grub/menu.lst, Pardus' Boot Manager utility makes it easier to edit these stanzas and to multiboot. I'm very impressed with it; since I haven't seen it in other Linux distros, I assume it's one of those tools which are unique to Pardus.

I will have to try testing this later by doing it the other way around. 

I no longer have a spare PC to experiment with (I spruced up the old Frankencomputer and gave it to a friend who was interested in trying Linux), so I can't test this firsthand without possibly borking my production machine -- which I prefer not to do. Like you, I haven't tried installing a GRUB 2-based distro, let its GRUB 2 take over the MBR, and then try to boot Pardus with it ...

I always let any distro I install install its grub to the MBR, in my case, on the first hard drive that has XP.  If I want to use another grub menu, I re-install the one I like. 

My installation strategy is slightly different than yours. Based on suggestions I've read in several different forums, when I install a new Linux distro in my multiboot setup, I always choose to install its GRUB (or LILO) to the root partition of the new distro. (With my installs, I typically create a root (/) partition and a separate /home partition). I don't let it take over the existing MBR (which is controlled by Pardus).

Once the installation is complete, I boot into Pardus and use the Disk Manager utility and Dolphin to access the root partition of the newly installed distro. Then I copy the new distro's menu.lst into a blank text file and save it. Finally, I open Pardus' Boot Manager utility, paste in the necessary info from the text file, and reboot to see if I can boot into the new distro. After one has gained some experience, it usually works on the first attempt but sometimes the GRUB entry will require minor tweaking.

Have a good weekend,
=david
33  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Grub2 entry Pardus 2011 on: February 05, 2011, 06:37:41 AM
However, I decided on two tests, to install Pardus on my hard drive sda

Code:
/root sda1
/usr /sda2
/var /sda3
/home /sda5
/swap /sda6

So during install process added xorg=safe
. . . [A]nyway the issue is upon reboot

It simply does not load Pardus, it stays on sda and does nothing.

So if i cannot boot a fresh install where Pardus boot loader is selected, then this is another issue alltogether.

Hi, scorptig,

Would you mind clarifying a couple of things here?

In this test, did you install Pardus's Legacy GRUB to the MBR and let it control the boot process? (This is what I'm guessing).

Or was Mint's GRUB 2 controlling the MBR? If so, did you install Pardus's Legacy GRUB to its root partition (/sda1)?

Another possibility could be that this was caused by a corrupted download and/or a bad burn. Although I imagine that you've already considered these factors ... did you check to make sure the md5sum and the sha1sum of the downloaded .iso are correct? Did you perform a media check of the burned DVD before you installed it?

This certainly sounds like strange behavior. It may be possible that you've uncovered a bug with the 64-bit version. (I'm reluctant to try experimenting with it myself on my main PC because I don't have any spare partitions currently, and the 32-bit version of 2011 is working fine for me, so I'd like to avoid messing it up).

However I do have Pardus working on my other computer, a 32 bit AMD XP-2400+ unit..

Could you clarify this statement a bit, please? Does it mean that you successfully installed the 32-bit version of 2011 on this machine, and that it booted without any problems?

If that is the case, it seems to suggest that either (a). there is some sort of problem / bug with the 64-bit version, or (b). there is some sort of major incompatibility problem with the hardware on that particular computer.

Perhaps atolboo and/or Lisa can tell us if there are open bugs on the 64-bit version which describe similar behavior(s). I looked at the Pardus Bugzilla tracker but it was my first time using it, and I didn't find much information. (My fault for searching ineffectively, probably).

You're very welcome for the help. I'm sorry I don't have enough in-depth knowledge to solve your problem with the 64-bit version of Pardus 2011.

Have a good weekend,
=david

34  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Grub2 entry Pardus 2011 on: February 02, 2011, 21:57:37 PM
Hi,

That's good news; it looks like progress is being made. The only problem, as I said, is that I'm approaching the limits of my knowledge and experience.

I can try Googling some more tonight after work. In the meantime, here's a couple of additional variations you could try; this is what occurs to me off the top of my head:

In your 40_custom GRUB 2 entry, try changing

resume=UUID=31bd2d6e [ ... etc.]

to

resume=/dev/sda6

Also, try removing the blacklist=nouveau parameter and replace it with xorg=safe

As a final variant, you could try removing the blacklist=nouveau parameter entirely and not replacing it with anything.

Perhaps one of these will do the trick. If they don't work, please report back what sort of error messages you get with each variation and I will do some more research. I'm not ready to give up yet.

< Edit: >

scorptig wrote:

Quote
How would that be written within 40_custom, as above I tried it, had original errors.
Set root is not present above
I tried also set root=uuid(5b2d3d30-4195-477e-93c7-9a84c7a94928)

To clarify, I should mention here that you do not want to use that UUID=5b2d3d30 [... etc.] value because that UUID is specific to my system (where Pardus' root is located on the /sda3 partition). We must use the UUID for your system so that GRUB 2 is pointed to the correct partition (/sda7). That's what we're trying to accomplish in the GRUB stanzas discussed above.

P.S.
Another idea / suggestion: You might consider registering as a user at the LinuxQuestions forum ( http://www.linuxquestions.org/ ). There are some very knowledgeable folks there, with years of Linux experience, who can probably give you better advice. Also, the Linux Mint forum has users who are very familiar with GRUB 2, since so many versions of Mint use it by default. I'm not currently running Mint, but I have in the past, and I had a positive experience with their User Forum -- it was active, with friendly and helpful people. Since you are using Isadora and its GRUB 2 is managing your MBR, I think it would be a perfectly legitimate place to ask.

35  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Grub2 entry Pardus 2011 on: February 02, 2011, 06:26:58 AM
@scorptig,

You're welcome. Sorry that didn't work, either ... However, I think I found the mistakes. (I should have been paying closer attention and noticed the error in your root partition numbering the first time! That is the critical error, I believe.)  Embarrassed

Your Pardus root partition is /sda7, and your swap partition is /sda6, correct? If so, I believe that you only need to make a couple of minor corrections: the GRUB 2 numbering of your Pardus root partition; and removing some extraneous quotation marks and file type labels.

How about trying this variation:

Code:
menuentry "Pardus" {
set root=(hd0,7)
linux /boot/kernel-2.6.37 root=UUID=54636f7a-34b5-486f-a670-a095a22bd821
resume=UUID=31bd2d6e-4566-4cb9-aefd-2146ea41735f splash=silent quiet vga=0x31a
initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.37
}

Please note what I changed here:

The root should be numbered as (hd0,7) not (hd0,6) [which is the Legacy GRUB numbering system].

You do not need the quotation marks after the UUID designations, e.g.:

root=UUID="54636f7a-34b5-486f-a670-a095a22bd821" should be

root=UUID=54636f7a-34b5-486f-a670-a095a22bd821

(The same is true for the UUID designation of your swap partition: resume=UUID=31bd2d6e [...])

Also, I don't think that you need to add the filesystem types (e.g., "TYPE="ext4") in the GRUB 2 stanza. That may be introducing problems unnecessarily.

If that fails, you might also try this stanza:

Code:
menuentry "Pardus" {
set root='(hd0,msdos7)'
linux /boot/kernel-2.6.37 root=UUID=54636f7a-34b5-486f-a670-a095a22bd821
resume=UUID=31bd2d6e-4566-4cb9-aefd-2146ea41735f splash=silent quiet vga=0x31a
initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.37
}

Although I know the '(hd0,msdos7)' looks rather strange, I'm patterning it after the GRUB 2 stanza which my Debian Squeeze installation had automatically set up for Pardus. (Note: In this case, I'm not using GRUB 2 to control my computer's MBR; rather, GRUB 2 is installed to my Debian root partition (/sda12) and Pardus' Legacy GRUB is on the MBR and is controlling my multiboot setup).

With a bit of luck, maybe this time will work for you. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

P.S.
I may be approaching the limit of my competency with this. I'm an "expert" on GRUB 2 in the same sense as the Internet's definition of "expert": "Someone from out of town, with a PowerPoint presentation."  Smiley
36  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Grub2 entry Pardus 2011 on: February 01, 2011, 06:42:19 AM
@scorptig,

Sorry to hear that didn't work for you. Although I'm still fumbling around with GRUB 2 basics myself, I do have another suggestion you might try ... I think I spotted a couple of mistakes in your GRUB 2 entry for Pardus 2011.

You could modify your GRUB 2 stanza to look like this:

menuentry "Pardus" {
set root=(hd0,6)
linux /boot/kernel-2.6.37 root=UUID=[fill in value of your root partition] resume=UUID=[fill in value of your swap partition] splash=silent quiet vga=0x31a
initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.37
}

The end result would be:

Code:
menuentry "Pardus" {
set root=(hd0,6)
linux /boot/kernel-2.6.37 root=UUID= resume=UUID= splash=silent quiet vga=0x31a
initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.37
}

You can find out the UUIDs of your hard drive's partitions by typing this command as root:

Code:
# blkid

It should produce output that looks somewhat like the following:

Code:
root@luisbienteveo:/home/david# blkid
/dev/sda1: UUID="63f75e7a-ca71-43f9-b798-4f8c6983b47b" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/sda3: LABEL="PARDUS_ROOT" UUID="5b2d3d30-4195-477e-93c7-9a84c7a94928" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/sda5: UUID="a2497eba-f580-463e-960f-ef99e6bf4be1" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/sda6: LABEL="SWAP" UUID="a0da1423-a715-4c8d-b65d-1d638f54c84f" TYPE="swap"
/dev/sda10: LABEL="_Fedora-14-i686-" UUID="1d9610d9-bc51-4081-9058-fef04dc97af7" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/sda11: UUID="150c29e6-7944-48e0-a6d9-7d7fede7586d" TYPE="ext4"
[. . .]

Then run
Code:
sudo update-grub
and see if Mint's GRUB 2 will boot Pardus.

Finally, just in case you'd like some additional background on GRUB 2, I found these two resources to be very helpful:

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html
Dedoimedo. "GRUB 2 Bootloader: Full Tutorial."

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
"The GRUB 2 Guide." 23 June 2009.

HTH,
=david
37  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Grub2 entry Pardus 2011 on: January 31, 2011, 08:01:32 AM
Hi, scorptig,

I too have an Nvidia card (specs below in my signature) and experienced problems booting Pardus 2011 (32-bit). I don't know if your problem is identical, but you might take a look at these threads and try adding the boot parameter " xorg=safe ":

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3582.0
"2011 Won't Install." 24 Jan. 2011

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3475.0
"Pardus 2011 Nvidia Install." 31 Oct. 2010.

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3589.0
"Nvidia Driver on Pardus 2011." 26 Jan. 2011.

This allowed me to boot Pardus, then I blacklisted the Nouveau driver and installed the proprietary Nvidia driver(s). It was a relatively simple fix and things have worked fine for me since then.

Just for reference, below is my Legacy GRUB stanza for Pardus 2011. I multiboot Linux (including Debian 6.0 Squeeze, which uses GRUB2); I installed 2011's Legacy GRUB to my MBR and it is successfully booting all my distros (although I had to do some manual tweaking of their GRUB entries):

Code:
title Pardus 2011
uuid 5b2d3d30-4195-477e-93c7-9a84c7a94928
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.37 root=UUID=5b2d3d30-4195-477e-93c7-9a84c7a94928
resume=/dev/sda6 splash quiet blacklist=nouveau
initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.37

HTH.
38  Assistance / Software / Re: Clementine & ipod on: January 31, 2011, 03:18:36 AM
    Ok, so what are some good MP3 players that do work with Linux/Pardus?

    Hi, Duskao,

    If you can't get your iPod to work with Linux and you need an alternative MP3 player, I will recommend the Sansa Clip. (I promise I don't work for SanDisk). We bought a 4 GB model for our son, age 11. It has worked well for him -- and for us, when we are allowed to borrow it.  Smiley My wife and I own an earlier 2 GB model of the Clip which is still going strong. If you only need something basic, without a lot of bells and whistles, I think you'd be happy with the Sansa Clip.

    You can see it here:

    http://tinyurl.com/4alox3z
    SanDisk Sansa Clip+ 4 GB MP3 Player

    Pros:

    • Supports .ogg format out-of-the box (unless they've changed something recently with the firmware)
    • Mounts as a USB mass storage device: you simply drag your music files back and forth from your computer to your Clip. This is done by putting your Clip in MSC mode: Settings > USB Mode > MSC. (There is also an MTP mode if you need to transfer DRM-ed audio files from the computer to the player).

    I'll try to link to two screenshots which show the Clip's internal file structure. (These were taken in Fedora 14 Xfce):

    http://tinyurl.com/45kojox

    http://tinyurl.com/47xeozt

    • Although the stock earbuds are not great, the sound quality is very good overall, IMHO. Bass response is surprisingly good.
    • Battery life is excellent.
    • The built-in FM radio works well. (We don't use that feature often, but it's nice to have the option available).
    • It's inexpensive.

    Cons:

    • The navigation is a bit clunky, to be honest. I haven't owned/used an iPod, but a couple of iPod owners I know have told me that the iPod navigates more quickly and easily through its music collection. This isn't a major drawback for me, as I use the Clip in a basic way. (It does have a "Random Mode" [?] in which you can ask it to play your entire collection in a randomized way. This sometimes produces interesting combinations of playlists).
    • Doesn't come supplied with an external charger. After some trial and error, I found that it really works best to recharge it with an external wall charger. (I got an inexpensive model from Radio Shack which works fine).
    • The volume of FM radio playback is significantly louder than the volume of .mp3 playback. When listening to FM radio, even if I have the device's volume on the lowest setting, it still blasts my ears. (This may have been fixed in the newer models).
    39  International Pardus Users / Spanish / Re: Pardus 2011 on: January 30, 2011, 23:02:56 PM
    Pues ya lo probe, pero me da error con la tarjeta de video y con el teclado y raton que son usb, al parecer entra en bucle, identifica la tarjeta de video y los usb y vuelve a identificarlos y los vuelve a identificar.
     Desde el bios pase el video al integrado y reeplace el teclado y raton usb por ps2 y asi si pude instalar Pardus que esta muy bien, pero vuelvo a conectar los usb y la tarjeta de video y lo mismo.

    Hola, TicoLinux,

    No suelo leer esta sección del foro para hispanohablantes, pero decidí echar un vistazo y encontré su pregunta. Instalé Pardus 2011 (la versión 32-bit) hace varios días y experimenté problemas con mi tarjeta de video (Nvidia) ... en cambio, no tuve ningún problema con el teclado ni con el ratón (así que no puedo ayudarle con eso, desafortunadamente).

    No sé si Ud. sabe leer el inglés con soltura, pero pude solucionar mi problema de video gracias a los consejos en estos hilos de discusión:

    http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3582.0
    "2011 Won't Install." 24 Jan. 2011

    (Usé el parámetro de arranque " xorg=safe ").

    http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3475.0
    "Pardus 2011 Nvidia Install." 31 Oct. 2010.

    http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3589.0
    "Nvidia Driver on Pardus 2011." 26 Jan. 2011.

    Espero que esta información le ayude a resolver su problema. ¡Buena suerte! (Y favor de perdonar mis errores, porque no soy muy perito en términos de computación en español).

    Saludos cordiales,
    =david

    P.D.
    Además le ofrezco esta alternativa: Si el cambio del parámetro de arranque no resuelve su problema, (y si le cuesta mucho trabajo escribir en inglés), puedo traducir su mensaje y postearlo en la sección principal del foro.

    Por favor, dénos detalles adicionales sobre su equipo (por ejemplo, la marca y el modelo de su tarjeta de video, la marca y el modelo de su monitor, el procesador (CPU), la cantidad de RAM, etc.), los errores exactos que la instalación produce, y los pasos específicos que Ud. ha probado.
    40  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: 2011 won't install on: January 28, 2011, 22:48:39 PM
    @Craig,

    Glad to hear that this thread helped you. If you haven't already found them in your forum searching, you might want to also read these two discussion threads:

    http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3475.0
    "Pardus 2011 Nvidia Install." 31 Oct. 2010.

    http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3589.0
    "Nvidia Driver on Pardus 2011." 26 Jan. 2011.

    Using the instructions / tips suggested by atolboo and Lisa, I blacklisted the Nouveau driver and successfully installed the proprietary Nvidia driver for the card. It seems to be working fine, except for the small black dots / splotches mentioned in the thread above. I intend to experiment more with trying to get the Nouveau driver to work on my system ...

    HTH.
    41  Assistance / Software / Re: Firefox 3.6 on: January 28, 2011, 17:33:59 PM
    Christopher,

    I don't know whether installing the older version of Firefox 3.6 is possible. AFAIK, only the newer version is available in the Pardus 2011 repos. But you might also try installing Opera (it's available in the 2011 repo) and seeing how your website behaves with it.

    Also, (just as a reminder) you install new programs using the Package Manager (PiSi). You can use it in two ways: either via its graphical interface (which is the default) or via the command line. Info on using PiSi from the command line can be found in the Pardus Wiki:

    http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Pisi_CLI_Usage

    HTH,
    =david
    42  General / Introduce yourself / Re: How Ya'll doing? from Chillicothe, Ohio on: January 28, 2011, 17:16:32 PM
    Hi, Christopher,

    Although it sounds like you're not new to Pardus, Welcome to the user forum anyway!

    I also used Pardus 2009 (and then 2009.2), and was happy with them both. They were stable, smooth and fast on my hardware. So I waffled some before deciding to install 2011 two days ago ... and wiping my 2009.2 installation to replace it with a fresh 2011 install was like saying goodbye to an old friend.  :'( However, I don't regret the decision; I'm already liking 2011 a lot.

    I haven't had much chance to test LibreOffice, other than opening up a few of my older .odt and .ods files which were created with OpenOffice.org. Everything seems to be fine so far. If I run into problems, I will post about it.

    At this stage, I only have a couple of minor criticisms of 2011: I'd like to see Abiword (as a more lightweight alternative to LibreOffice Writer), Gnucash (as another alternative to KMyMoney and Skrooge) and maybe Texmaker (as an alternative to Kile) come into the repos.

    The other thing I ran into -- possibly a more serious hindrance for newcomers to Pardus -- is a bug (??) with how the Nouveau driver interacts with my onboard Nvidia video card. I found a solution, thanks to some posts by atolboo and Lisa, and am now using the proprietary Nvidia driver. However, if possible, I might actually prefer to use the open-source Nouveau driver ... except that I can't figure out how to make it work right now. But until I find a workaround to try, it seems that other users like me will be faced with a choice at opposite ends of the spectrum: either use the "safe" xorg driver (whose capabilities are very limited) or use the manufacturer's proprietary driver(s).

    Have fun,
    =david
    43  General / Introduce yourself / Re: Hi on: January 28, 2011, 16:47:44 PM
    Hi, Tony,

    Welcome to the forum! I hope you'll enjoy using Pardus and make yourself at home here. (I've been busy installing the 2011 release and tinkering with it, so I haven't been reading this subsection of the forum).

    My one suggestion is to take a look at the English-language Wiki (which we can all thank atolboo for!). It is an invaluable resource with lots of tips and tricks:

    http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Main_Page

    Have fun,
    =david
    44  General / Introduce yourself / Re: New Pardus User from Florida on: January 28, 2011, 16:39:34 PM
    Hi, Craig,

    Welcome to the Pardus Worldforum. Although this is not as large or active a forum as some, there is no shortage of friendly, helpful people -- with an international flavor. I hope you'll feel at home here.

    I agree with your assessment that Pardus is a real "sleeper" which deserves more widespread recognition. I read occasional comments dismissing it as a "niche distro" but I don't agree with them. The developers built the distro completely from scratch, and have created some very useful tools, such as the YALI installer, the Control Center, the Boot Manager (which makes multibooting Linux much easier -- it can also handle booting GRUB2-based distros) and the first-run Kaptan Desktop Assistant.

    One standard criticism I see regarding Pardus is the smaller size of its repository. This is valid, but the developers are working hard to add more PiSi packages of apps. I installed 2011 two days ago, and at this point, the two applications I'm missing (but can live without, if necessary, since I have them available in other distros) are Abiword and Gnucash. Almost all the other software I regularly use is already there, including TeX Live, Kile and Emacs-AUCTeX.

    I've been using Pardus since the 2009 release and it continues to impress me; it is stable and runs smoothly on my hardware. I haven't tried every KDE 4 implementation out there, but IMHO Pardus's is one of the best. It compares very favorably to PCLinuxOS, another of my longtime favorites.

    If you haven't found it yet, take a look at the English-language Wiki (largely put together by atolboo). It has lots of tips, tricks and useful info:

    http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Main_Page

    You can find a contents list of the 2011 repo here:

    http://packages.pardus.org.tr/

    I hope you too will enjoy using Pardus.

    =david
    45  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus 2011 is available on: January 26, 2011, 15:52:33 PM
    Kurulan: it has 2 meanings

    1. Get dried! (as a command/order to someone) -this is irrelevant to our case-
    2. Something which is to be build (stands for "Installable/Installation" CD/DVD)

    Calisan: Something/somebody which/who works, studies (stands for "Live" CD/DVD)

    Hi, Bekir,

    Thanks for the Turkish mini-lesson! Now I can add two more words to my massive, ten-word Turkish vocabulary.  Smiley
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