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46  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: 2011 won't install on: January 26, 2011, 02:04:35 AM
@csaenemy,

You're welcome! I'm glad that boot parameter also worked for you and allowed you to successfully install 2011. I was surprised the tip worked because everything else I tried had failed; I was frustrated and about ready to give up for the evening. Then I found that older forum thread and it sounded very promising ...

Tonight my project is to back up my 2009.2 data before I try installing 2011. The positive comments I've read and the screenshots I've seen have convinced me to install the new release.

47  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus 2011 is available on: January 25, 2011, 17:25:26 PM
@Bekir,

Thank you for clarifying this for me, bulaka and everyone else. You're performing an invaluable service by notifying us of important information from the Turkish-language forum. Your efforts are appreciated.  Smiley

It's nice that users have the option of upgrading this way, if they wish. (In my case, based on my experience with other distros, I will probably do a fresh install. It just seems cleaner that way. I had some video-card-related problems getting the Install DVD [Kurulan] to run properly, but I finally found a solution last night).

< Edit: [Language question] >

Could Bekir or bulaka please explain the meaning of the the terms Kurulan and ,Cali,san?

My Turkish is almost nonexistent, but I sometimes try looking up words in a dictionary ... I'm not sure I have identified the roots / infinitives properly, but this is my best guess:

kurulan > from kurulamak : 'to wipe dry', 'to dry' (Maybe as in 'wipe, erase [a hard drive]' (?))

,cali,san > from ,cali,smak : 'to work', 'to study', 'to try' (Maybe as in 'trial' [?])

(I know the "i" is supposed to be a dotless Turkish i, but I can't easily insert it here).

I have wondered about this for a while.
48  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: 2011 won't install on: January 25, 2011, 05:37:43 AM
To get 2011rc to install, I had to use  'nomodeset'.  You can also try 'all-generic-ide'.  That as worked for me before in other distros when having vid card issues.

Hi, SpecialEd,

I sincerely appreciate your suggestions for possible boot parameters. I've tried both of them tonight; unfortunately, neither of them worked for me. However, after a fair amount of experimenting -- and a large number of failures -- I discovered a solution that was successful on my hardware ...

After selecting English as the system language, I typed this parameter into the "Boot Options" line:

Code:
xorg=safe

Amazingly, that allowed YALI to proceed to the initial step of the installation, whose screen looks like this:

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8938/getreadyinstallpardus.jpg
Get Ready to Install Pardus

(It takes several minutes to reach this point, so please wait patiently).

After agreeing to / accepting the GPL, I continued to the step of validating the installation packages (which was successful), then I backed out of YALI.

In my searching, I found an old forum thread which has some other useful tips and workarounds for a similar situation:

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=1011.0
"Installation Problem." 19 May 2007.

I hope this info will be helpful to csaenemy and anyone else who's having problems getting their installation started. I will probably try installing Pardus 2011 after I completely back up my 2009.2 data.

=david






49  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus 2011 is available on: January 24, 2011, 16:12:26 PM
Yes, there is this part in the release announcement:
Quote
Users who want to upgrade from Pardus 2009 version, have to wait until development of the upgrade manager is completed.
This means only a 100% new installation will do. Wink

@atolboo,

Thank you for the clarification. I asked because I didn't understand what Mr. Eraslan meant. (I incorrectly assumed that the Pardus developers were close to completing this project / enhancement, and that it might be possible do a seamless upgrade from 2009.2 to 2011 via PiSi). It sounds like that is not the case, however.

50  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: 2011 won't install on: January 24, 2011, 16:02:45 PM
Hi, SpecialEd,

Many thanks for your tip! I didn't try either of those options in my experimentation but I will certainly try them tonight and report whether they work on my system.

Thanks again,
=david
51  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: 2011 won't install on: January 24, 2011, 15:59:43 PM
Hi, csaenemy,

Thanks for posting this. I can confirm that I'm experiencing exactly the same problem. I also have an nVidia card (although it is an integrated, onboard card) which works fine in 2009.2.

As you did, I checked both the md5sum and the sha1sum before burning the .iso to disc with K3B. They matched the correct checksums. I used a good quality TDK DVD-R, and burned the disc at 4x speed (the slowest speed available on my hardware). K3B very rarely fails me, so I'm assuming that I have a valid disc to install from.

Just a few more details on the boot sequence -- since at first I thought this might be caused by an incorrect detection of my screen resolution. (However, now I do not believe this is the cause). The initial splash / boot screen appears fine and undistorted; it is a white Pardus leopard logo on a gray background. The boot menu screen also appears clearly; it allows me to choose the language and has other options for the graphical server (function key F4) and kernel options (F5).

However, no matter which option(s) I select via F4, F5 or simply using the defaults, after booting I am presented with a gray "TV-test-pattern-like" screen that is completely mixed up -- all the pixels are squashed together such that any text is illegible, and there is a dark black line at the top of the screen and a horizontal black band in the screen's middle.

< Edit: >

Here's a photo of the jumbled screen I'm trying to describe in the paragraph above:



Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Late last night I downloaded a second .iso, from a different mirror, but I have not yet had the chance to burn it to DVD. I will try it tonight and report back what happens. If the gray, jumbled screen reoccurs, I will attempt to take a photo of my screen and post it here in the Forum.

I would also welcome any suggestions for a workaround. I hope we haven't uncovered a bug ...  Sad

=david

52  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus 2011 is available on: January 24, 2011, 02:06:41 AM

Quote

Users who want to upgrade from Pardus 2009 version, have to wait until development of the upgrade manager is completed.

--
Gökçen Eraslan

This is a follow-up to bulaka's post, as well as a request for advice ...

For those who have taken the plunge and already installed Pardus 2011, did everything go smoothly and work correctly after the installation? Or did you experience some problems?

I'm guessing that it would probably be better to do a fresh installation of 2011 rather than attempt an upgrade of 2009.2, but I would like to make an informed decision before doing this (and deleting my 2009.2 partition, which is working perfectly).

atolboo, do you have an opinion about this? (It seems like there have been many changes "under the hood," and as a general rule with operating systems, the more changes, the greater the chance for breakage during an upgrade).

I downloaded the Installation DVD .iso today using FileZilla; it took over 4 hours, as the transfer speed from the Turkish FTP server was very slow (averaging approx. 50 KB/s). Luckily, the md5sum and sha1sum checked out fine, so I have a valid .iso file to burn.

Thanks in advance for your advice / opinions,
=david
53  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus 2011 is available on: January 24, 2011, 01:12:14 AM
In case anyone is searching for the md5sums and the sha1sums of the new Pardus 2011 release, here they are:

For the Installation DVD .iso:

md5sums:

Code:
f48b76d3371c59a654438919891c059b  Pardus-2011-i686.iso

891fed02699a0b83175c90324cfbe1f8  Pardus-2011-x86_64.iso

sha1sums:

Code:
d7424b9c812b1b867ce2995a657b2cfb696fe10f  Pardus-2011-i686.iso

4aa1ec6479ebc7fdd75db6a863895dcd861be001  Pardus-2011-x86_64.iso

For the Live Image:

md5sums:

Code:
32f0a6fdc2ba219b909c03955b1caeee  Pardus-2011-Live-i686.iso

5e61142a1147219bd9cd9c9a29419354  Pardus-2011-Live-x86_64.iso

sha1sums:

Code:
ed97de8a80779dc540e32d38389adf3a12142761  Pardus-2011-Live-i686.iso

3d857543003f0829097e9fa26fbea6687425ad6c  Pardus-2011-Live-x86_64.iso

These were taken from the Turkish FTP server which atolboo mentioned in the first post in this thread:

ftp://ftp.pardus.org.tr/pub/ISO/Installation/2011/

ftp://ftp.pardus.org.tr/pub/ISO/Live/2011/

54  General / Wish list / Re: Official English forum on: January 12, 2011, 20:59:20 PM
Merhaba, Bekir,

,Cok memnun oldum. (I've now written 50% of the Turkish words I know!) It's nice to have you here in the English User Forum; we will be grateful for any tidbits of translated news / updates you can provide, as Turkish is somewhat difficult for non-Turks to learn. I too have tried using Google Translate to translate brief items from the Pardus website and (Turkish-language) forum, and as SW points out, the results sound like something from another planet -- maybe Martian?

If you are bringing in Turkish food with you, I would like to request one of my favorite dishes: zeytinyagli fasulye. Yum ...  Smiley

I hope you will feel welcome here. It's not a large User Forum but there is no shortage of friendly, helpful people.

=david
55  General / The Pub / Re: Happy Christmas! on: December 25, 2010, 20:57:07 PM
For those who celebrate Christmas:

Merry Christmas! May you have a joyous, blessed day, surrounded by your family and friends.

For those who don't celebrate this holiday:

Best wishes for a Happy New Year 2011, full of health, peace and accomplishment (both personal and professional).

I am grateful for this User Forum, the extended community and the helpful information it provides. I appreciate the hard work that the Pardus developers are doing to give us a stable, secure, modern operating system. I look forward to the upcoming releases and may even try installing Pardus Corporate 2 on a spare partition when its final version is ready. 

=david

56  General / General topics / Pardus in the Linux Journal Readers' Choice Awards 2010 on: October 31, 2010, 20:38:50 PM
Hello, everyone,

Linux Journal conducts an annual poll of users and asks them to vote in various categories (Best Distro, Best Office Suite, Best Web Browser, etc.). More than 12,000 people participated this year and the results have been tallied. Pardus was mentioned twice:

Best Linux Distribution
5th Place: Pardus

(1. Ubuntu ; 2. PCLinuxOS ; 3. Debian ; 4. Fedora)

Product of the Year
5th Place: Pardus

(1. Android ; 2. KDE ; 3. Fluendo DVD Player ; 4. zabbix)

That's a very respectable showing, in my opinion, and I congratulate the Pardus development team and everyone else who helps with the project.

Complete results are available here:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/readers-choice-awards-2010

(I was also pleased to see that PCLinuxOS did well, as I'm a longtime PCLOS user. We are fortunate that Linux just keeps getting better and gives us so many excellent choices).
57  Assistance / Hardware / Re: Monitor Alignment on: July 12, 2010, 05:32:04 AM
Hi, Martin,

First off, Welcome aboard! I hope that you'll enjoy using Pardus. I began using it about 6-7 months ago; it has been a good experience for me and has worked well on my hardware. The Turkish developers have implemented KDE4 very nicely.

I'm not sure that I can solve your problem, but I have a couple of suggestions which might be helpful. I think you can check your resolution via the Info Center (KInfoCenter): Applications > System > Info Center. Then choose X-Server from the left panel and look under "Dimensions". (An alternative method is to start up a Konsole session and type $ kinfocenter from the command line).

I have a 15" HP LCD monitor with a resolution of 1024 x 768, which Pardus correctly detected and configured. I recently installed Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) on my /hda and allowed its GRUB2 to take over the MBR. I'm still very much a GRUB2 novice, so there have been some glitches to overcome with my Linux multibooting. However, GRUB2 did detect and correctly configure my Pardus 2009.2 installation. If you'd like to compare, here's what my GRUB2 entry looks like. (This comes from /boot/grub/grub.cfg):


Code:
menuentry "Pardus 2009.2 Geronticus eremita [2.6.31.13-131] (on /dev/sdb8)" {
insmod ext2
set root='(hd1,8)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 7eaecdc1-4e81-4516-99b5-f811c84cabb7
linux /boot/kernel-2.6.31.13-131 root=LABEL=PARDUS_ROOT splash=silent quiet vga=0x317 resume=/dev/sdb7
initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.31.13-131
}

Apparently that "vga=0x317" parameter is the right value for my screen resolution. You might check yours and see what it says ... For more info on how to set/change that parameter, I found the thread below on the Ubuntu Forums:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258484&highlight=kernel+booting+parameters
"HOWTO: Change bootup and console resolution." 16 Sept. 2006.

If you need to tinker with your GRUB2 entries (be careful!), I've found the following webpages to be useful guides:

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2

HTH,
=david

58  General / Wish list / Re: E17 on: June 17, 2010, 17:00:33 PM
I personally finish my Activities for Pardus.  

Andreas,

I am surprised and sad to hear that you are leaving Pardus.  :'( I would like to thank you for everything you have done for the Pardus community. You have been incredibly generous with your time, help and advice. You have helped me and many other forum members here, many times over.

Also, your contact with the developers and filing of many bug reports has helped to make Pardus a better distribution for all of us.

I wish you happiness and success with your next operating system -- whether it's Linux, FreeBSD (or even Windows 7).

With best wishes,
=david
59  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus 2009.2 Final on: June 11, 2010, 15:45:11 PM
Thank you for the suggestion Andreas, and you are very kind and generous, kalwisti to offer to send my a disk of Pardus!!!  I appreciate it very much, but I will decline.


Hi, Lisa,

That's OK; let me know if you change your mind and I'll send you one. (The last time I checked, the US Postal Service was still delivering mail from TX to AR).  Smiley I burned the .iso to a TDK DVD-R and ran the Media Check / Package Check option on it. The disc passed but I haven't yet tried installing it to the hard drive of my spare PC (the Frankencomputer). I think it would be quicker to do a clean install on that machine rather than a massive online update from 2009.1 to 2009.2.

=david  
60  General / Introduce yourself / Re: New to Pardus on: June 10, 2010, 16:13:34 PM
Hi, sling-shot,

Welcome from a fellow PCLOS user (and member of Distro Hoppers Anonymous -- I backslid today and bought another pack of blank CD-Rs).  Smiley I thought I recognized your handle from the PCLOS Forums. Although I still consider PCLinuxOS to be my "home" distro, I've used Pardus for about six months and am very impressed with it. I think that it approaches PCLOS's level of polish and ease of use.

I hope you'll have fun using Pardus, too. The Worldforum here is not as large as PCLOS's, but it has friendly people who are willing to help -- and contrary to what you might have read, they do speak English (not just Turkish).

You might want to take a look at the Pardus Wiki, which offers good tips and how-to's:

http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Main_Page

The package manager is called PiSi (which is also the Turkish word for 'kitty' or 'kitten'); it can be used via a GUI or the Konsole. The repos are steadily growing, and they even have the new version of KMyMoney and Skrooge. So I think you'll probably be able to find most of the applications you need.

=david

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