Hi, Martin,

First off, Welcome aboard! I hope that you'll enjoy using Pardus. I began using it about 6-7 months ago; it has been a good experience for me and has worked well on my hardware. The Turkish developers have implemented KDE4 very nicely.

I'm not sure that I can solve your problem, but I have a couple of suggestions which might be helpful. I think you can check your resolution via the Info Center (KInfoCenter): Applications > System > Info Center. Then choose X-Server from the left panel and look under "Dimensions". (An alternative method is to start up a Konsole session and type $ kinfocenter from the command line).

I have a 15" HP LCD monitor with a resolution of 1024 x 768, which Pardus correctly detected and configured. I recently installed Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) on my /hda and allowed its GRUB2 to take over the MBR. I'm still very much a GRUB2 novice, so there have been some glitches to overcome with my Linux multibooting. However, GRUB2 did detect and correctly configure my Pardus 2009.2 installation. If you'd like to compare, here's what my GRUB2 entry looks like. (This comes from /boot/grub/grub.cfg):



Apparently that "vga=0x317" parameter is the right value for my screen resolution. You might check yours and see what it says ... For more info on how to set/change that parameter, I found the thread below on the Ubuntu Forums:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258484&highlight=kernel+booting+parameters
"HOWTO: Change bootup and console resolution." 16 Sept. 2006.

If you need to tinker with your GRUB2 entries (be careful!), I've found the following webpages to be useful guides:

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2

HTH,
=david

Andreas,

I am surprised and sad to hear that you are leaving Pardus.  :'( I would like to thank you for everything you have done for the Pardus community. You have been incredibly generous with your time, help and advice. You have helped me and many other forum members here, many times over.

Also, your contact with the developers and filing of many bug reports has helped to make Pardus a better distribution for all of us.

I wish you happiness and success with your next operating system -- whether it's Linux, FreeBSD (or even Windows 7).

With best wishes,
=david

Hi, Lisa,

That's OK; let me know if you change your mind and I'll send you one. (The last time I checked, the US Postal Service was still delivering mail from TX to AR).   I burned the .iso to a TDK DVD-R and ran the Media Check / Package Check option on it. The disc passed but I haven't yet tried installing it to the hard drive of my spare PC (the Frankencomputer). I think it would be quicker to do a clean install on that machine rather than a massive online update from 2009.1 to 2009.2.

=david  

Hi, sling-shot,

Welcome from a fellow PCLOS user (and member of Distro Hoppers Anonymous -- I backslid today and bought another pack of blank CD-Rs).  I thought I recognized your handle from the PCLOS Forums. Although I still consider PCLinuxOS to be my "home" distro, I've used Pardus for about six months and am very impressed with it. I think that it approaches PCLOS's level of polish and ease of use.

I hope you'll have fun using Pardus, too. The Worldforum here is not as large as PCLOS's, but it has friendly people who are willing to help -- and contrary to what you might have read, they do speak English (not just Turkish).

You might want to take a look at the Pardus Wiki, which offers good tips and how-to's:

http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Main_Page

The package manager is called PiSi (which is also the Turkish word for 'kitty' or 'kitten'); it can be used via a GUI or the Konsole. The repos are steadily growing, and they even have the new version of KMyMoney and Skrooge. So I think you'll probably be able to find most of the applications you need.

=david

@dvd,

Hi, Selamat datang and/or 你好 (Ni hao),

Welcome to the Pardus Worldforum. I hope you will enjoy using Pardus and find it to be stable, quick and fun. I have been using it for about six months (although I also run other Linux distros) and it has worked great on both PCs that I've tried it on. I especially admire the development team for building such a nice product from scratch -- without basing it on a "parent" distro such as Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.

The User Forum here is not as large as some, but it has friendly people who are knowledgeable and willing to help. Don't hestitate to post questions if you run into a problem.

=david

Hi, yeow,

I do not know how to add kwrite to root's path using the command line, but Pardus provides a nice workaround using the GUI. First, check to see whether the package kde-servicemenu-rootactions is installed; if not, go ahead and install it. Next, use Dolphin to navigate to your desired directory and file, e.g., /boot/grub. If you want to open/edit the file menu.lst with Kwrite, right-click on that file, and then choose Root actions > Open as Text. Kwrite will proceed to open the file.

(Many thanks to atolboo for passing on that tip to me a few months ago).

If you want to experiment further, you'll see that if you become the root user from the command line (as you did before), you will be able to open/edit that file with either vim or Emacs. I have very basic knowledge of Emacs -- enough to edit configuration files, if necessary -- but vim scares the pants off me. However, with atolboo's workaround, you'll be able to comfortably edit such files with Kwrite ...

HTH,
=david

Hi, Lisa,

I would be happy to download the new Install-DVD .iso, burn it to disc and mail it to you. No cost. (We were on dialup quite a while, so I know what that's like ...) If you're interested, just send me a brief e-mail and we can work out the details. My address is kalwisti at gmail dot com.

=david

< Edit:
I downloaded the .iso while I was doing the yardwork outside. I just verified the md5sum and sha1sum, and they are both correct. So it's just a matter of burning the image to a DVD. >

For anyone who might be interested in trying Skrooge but does not want to compile it from source ... I just noticed that Skrooge 0.7.1 is now available in the Pardus 2009.2 repositories.

A big "Thank you!" to the person(s) responsible for adding this very useful program to the repos.

I use the Dutch repos and tonight the big update to Pardus 2009.2 came through. It was a large download -- 211 packages, 361 MB -- so it took a while for it to finish. Because of its size, I did the upgrade using PiSi on the command line ( # pisi upgrade ) and immediately rebooted the system when the update had completed. Everything seems to be working fine so far.

2009.2 includes updated versions of Firefox, OpenOffice.org, GIMP, digiKam, Amarok, VLC, etc. There are also four new wallpapers featuring the hermit ibis. I like #2, which was created by Kadir Söğüt; I'm attaching a screenshot of it below.

Many thanks to the Pardus development team and everyone else who helped with this new release. Çok teşekkür ederim!

Hi, 3novice378,

Please forgive me for asking a very obvious question. I looked at the owner's manual for your printer on the HP website. The manual stated the printer has both parallel [?] and USB capability. (I think that is what atolboo is questioning in his post).

I'm guessing that it should be much easier to set your printer up via USB. Is there some reason that you cannot connect and print with it as a USB device?

Hi, atolboo,

Thank you for the clarification. I did not want to give deerb misleading advice.

Also, I'm unsure about dual-booting / installation issues involving Windows, since we don't have a Windows PC at home. (I thought I recalled reading things about MS Vista behaving strangely when its MBR was altered, and no longer controlled the main boot. Of course, my memory may be faulty ... I don't trust it as much as I used to).

Hi, deerb,

You should be able to do a dual-boot such as the one you describe, with no problems. I had a similar setup on my older computer (two internal HDs), except that mine was a Linux-only setup. Still, the principle should be the same ... I'm letting Pardus's GRUB control the multiboot-Linux on my new computer, and it works fine.

Most important:

Before attempting to install another operating system, take the time to fully backup your Windows data. Although there is only a small chance that something will go wrong, it is best to be cautious and make sure that you have a backup you can restore from, if necessary.

One caveat:
It has been a few months since I installed Pardus, and I'm relying on my (perhaps) faulty memory of the installer's steps. So first, I'd closely read your existing tutorial to see if I'm listing things in the correct sequence ...

What I would suggest is this: try a "dry run" of the installation, and let YALI (Pardus's installer) take you to the partitioning stage. Look carefully at what the partitioner sees on your drives and make sure that it recognizes your Windows 7 setup on your first hard drive. If something looks odd and the partitioner does not recognize your Windows-only drive, you can always quit the installer without committing / writing your changes to the HD.

Once you're certain that the Windows-only drive is recognized, you can then install Pardus to your second drive (and let it take over the entire second disk).

Again, look carefully for the next (?) stage of the installation process, in which GRUB is installed.
GRUB is a special mini-program that helps to boot up an operating system. It supports multiple OSes on one computer, and allows you to select which operating system you want to run.  

What you want to do is let Pardus install GRUB to the MBR (Master Boot Record) of the second hard drive (with Pardus on it). This drive will be identified as either /hdb or /sdb. (Or it may be identified as (hd1) in GRUB's special notation. Right now I can't remember exactly how the YALI installer presented this information during the installation process).  

If I remember correctly, prior to actually writing GRUB to the designated MBR, Pardus's installer will show you a list of the operating systems it has detected. If your Windows shows up in that list, you should be ready to proceed. If Windows is not there, you should probably back out and ask for further advice.

I think that it could cause problems (with booting Windows) if you let GRUB be installed to the MBR of the first hard drive. atolboo or Andreas, could you please verify this for deerb? (Thanks).

The "Bootloader" section from the Pardus Wiki is here:

http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Pardus:Installation2009#Bootloader

I think you'd want to select the option labelled

"Selected disk below"
(and then select your 2nd hard drive)

Make sure to have the box checked / selected that says:
"Automatically add other operating systems to the GRUB menu"

< Edit: You might find some extra help / reassurance in this thread:

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3076.0
"Pardus 2009, GRUB2 and multibooting Linux." 5 Nov. 2009. >

HTH,
=david

P.S.
Since you mentioned that you're new to Linux, I'd like to offer one more piece of advice:

Work carefully, calmly and slowly -- don't rush through the installation process. It is unlikely that you will do something disastrous, such as erasing your Windows installation. If something happens to mess up GRUB and/or the MBR, don't panic. (It's tempting to panic, but keep your wits about you and do not do anything drastic to the computer). Both OSes are probably fine on your hard drives -- you just can't boot them. Post back here, describe the problem and people will try to help you fix things so that you can boot both systems.

P.S.S.

A Fix in Case You Can Only Boot Pardus, and Not Windows:

Pardus includes a handy utility called the Boot Manager (which I use often). I'm attaching a screenshot below so you can see how it looks. (You must be logged in to the User Forum in order to view it).

To access it, go to your Start menu (the Leopard icon) in the lower left-hand corner of your bottom panel. Next,

Go to Computer > System Settings > Computer Administration > Boot Manager

Then you will see a window like what's in the screenshot.

Select Add New > Windows from the drop-down menu, and fill in

Title
(Name of boot entry to be shown at the boot menu)
You would add "Windows 7".

and Disk
(Disk that contains the operating system)
You would add "/dev/sda" (or "/dev/hda").

Next, click on the Apply button to finalize your GRUB entry. You're done.

Restart your PC and hopefully, you will be able to boot into Windows 7 again.

Hi, Mark,

Welcome aboard! I hope you'll have an enjoyable experience using Pardus. Pardus is definitely one of my favorite distros (although I'm also running PCLinuxOS 2010, Fedora 12 [Xfce Spin] and Mint 8 "Helena." Actually, Linux is so good nowadays that it's hard to pick just one distro). It has been stable on my hardware; I like Pardus' balance (up-to-date without being "bleeding-edge") and commend its developers for creating such a quality distro from scratch. Quite an accomplishment.

This is not a huge forum but there are some nice, knowledgeable folks here. In particular, atolboo and Andreas know their Pardus well and always offer timely help.

I'll just mention one resource which has a lot of good info: the Pardus Wiki:

http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Main_Page

If you need a personal finance/checkbook program, the Pardus repos have KMyMoney and HomeBank available. Another option is Skrooge; it's not in the repositories but I managed to compile it from source and posted a mini-tutorial here in the User Forum. 

Have fun and don't hesitate to post if you run into problems,
=david

Hi, Nergard,

You didn't say whether you are using the GUI version of PiSi or updating from the Konsole. (I'm guessing that you are using the GUI). The large number of updates might be causing the GUI-fied PiSi to have problems, so you might try this technique as an alternative:

1. Open up a Konsole.
2. Become the root user by typing 3. Enter root's password.
4. Type
When I become aware that there are updates available, I first use PiSi's GUI to look at the list of upgradable packages and make a note of them in my spiral notebook. Then I close PiSi's GUI and use the Konsole method above to actually install the updates. It has worked well for me.  

< Edit: >
I should clarify that this is on an existing Pardus 2009.1 system -- not a new installation. Yesterday I had about 30 updates available, including packages related to wireless drivers, webcams and most importantly, an updated Linux kernel. IIRC, the kernel was updated to version 2.6.31.13. I haven't had time to test it extensively, but it appears that everything is working fine.

HTH,
=david

Hi, BellaPup (Hunter [?]),

Just thought I'd say "Welcome aboard!" since this is your first post. If you're interested, feel free to write a short introduction here ( http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?board=18.0 ) so that some of the other members can meet and greet you. 

I hope you will enjoy Pardus as much as I have. It has been stable and fast on my hardware, plus I've been able to find almost all the applications I need in the existing repos. Recently I added Xfce as a second desktop environment; that has been working well, too. The Pardus developers have done a great job.

With best wishes,
=david