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61  General / Introduce yourself / Re: Hello From Malaysia on: June 10, 2010, 15:50:47 PM

Hi, Selamat datang and/or 你好 (Ni hao),

Welcome to the Pardus Worldforum. I hope you will enjoy using Pardus and find it to be stable, quick and fun. I have been using it for about six months (although I also run other Linux distros) and it has worked great on both PCs that I've tried it on. I especially admire the development team for building such a nice product from scratch -- without basing it on a "parent" distro such as Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.

The User Forum here is not as large as some, but it has friendly people who are knowledgeable and willing to help. Don't hestitate to post questions if you run into a problem.

62  Assistance / Software / Re: 2009.2 Boot Manager cannot change default on: June 08, 2010, 05:31:22 AM
What does "bash: kwrite: command not found" error mean?

Hi, yeow,

I do not know how to add kwrite to root's path using the command line, but Pardus provides a nice workaround using the GUI. First, check to see whether the package kde-servicemenu-rootactions is installed; if not, go ahead and install it. Next, use Dolphin to navigate to your desired directory and file, e.g., /boot/grub. If you want to open/edit the file menu.lst with Kwrite, right-click on that file, and then choose Root actions > Open as Text. Kwrite will proceed to open the file.

(Many thanks to atolboo for passing on that tip to me a few months ago).

If you want to experiment further, you'll see that if you become the root user from the command line (as you did before), you will be able to open/edit that file with either vim or Emacs. I have very basic knowledge of Emacs -- enough to edit configuration files, if necessary -- but vim scares the pants off me. However, with atolboo's workaround, you'll be able to comfortably edit such files with Kwrite ...

63  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus 2009.2 Final on: June 05, 2010, 18:22:38 PM
Hi, Lisa,

I would be happy to download the new Install-DVD .iso, burn it to disc and mail it to you. No cost. (We were on dialup quite a while, so I know what that's like ...) If you're interested, just send me a brief e-mail and we can work out the details. My address is kalwisti at gmail dot com.


< Edit:
I downloaded the .iso while I was doing the yardwork outside. I just verified the md5sum and sha1sum, and they are both correct. So it's just a matter of burning the image to a DVD. >
64  General / Wish list / [solved] Re: Skrooge on: June 05, 2010, 07:43:51 AM
For anyone who might be interested in trying Skrooge but does not want to compile it from source ... I just noticed that Skrooge 0.7.1 is now available in the Pardus 2009.2 repositories.

A big "Thank you!" to the person(s) responsible for adding this very useful program to the repos.
65  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus 2009.2 Final on: June 05, 2010, 07:30:59 AM
I use the Dutch repos and tonight the big update to Pardus 2009.2 came through. It was a large download -- 211 packages, 361 MB -- so it took a while for it to finish. Because of its size, I did the upgrade using PiSi on the command line ( # pisi upgrade ) and immediately rebooted the system when the update had completed. Everything seems to be working fine so far.

2009.2 includes updated versions of Firefox, OpenOffice.org, GIMP, digiKam, Amarok, VLC, etc. There are also four new wallpapers featuring the hermit ibis. I like #2, which was created by Kadir Söğüt; I'm attaching a screenshot of it below.

Many thanks to the Pardus development team and everyone else who helped with this new release. Çok teşekkür ederim!

66  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: HP Deskjet 940c printer on: May 13, 2010, 23:17:58 PM
Hi, 3novice378,

Please forgive me for asking a very obvious question. I looked at the owner's manual for your printer on the HP website. The manual stated the printer has both parallel [?] and USB capability. (I think that is what atolboo is questioning in his post).

I'm guessing that it should be much easier to set your printer up via USB. Is there some reason that you cannot connect and print with it as a USB device?
67  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Two Disk Duel Boot Installation on: May 13, 2010, 23:07:04 PM
Hi, atolboo,

Thank you for the clarification. I did not want to give deerb misleading advice.

Also, I'm unsure about dual-booting / installation issues involving Windows, since we don't have a Windows PC at home. (I thought I recalled reading things about MS Vista behaving strangely when its MBR was altered, and no longer controlled the main boot. Of course, my memory may be faulty ... I don't trust it as much as I used to).
68  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Two Disk Duel Boot Installation on: May 13, 2010, 00:22:18 AM
Hi, deerb,

You should be able to do a dual-boot such as the one you describe, with no problems. I had a similar setup on my older computer (two internal HDs), except that mine was a Linux-only setup. Still, the principle should be the same ... I'm letting Pardus's GRUB control the multiboot-Linux on my new computer, and it works fine.

Most important:

Before attempting to install another operating system, take the time to fully backup your Windows data. Although there is only a small chance that something will go wrong, it is best to be cautious and make sure that you have a backup you can restore from, if necessary.

One caveat:
It has been a few months since I installed Pardus, and I'm relying on my (perhaps) faulty memory of the installer's steps. So first, I'd closely read your existing tutorial to see if I'm listing things in the correct sequence ...

What I would suggest is this: try a "dry run" of the installation, and let YALI (Pardus's installer) take you to the partitioning stage. Look carefully at what the partitioner sees on your drives and make sure that it recognizes your Windows 7 setup on your first hard drive. If something looks odd and the partitioner does not recognize your Windows-only drive, you can always quit the installer without committing / writing your changes to the HD.

Once you're certain that the Windows-only drive is recognized, you can then install Pardus to your second drive (and let it take over the entire second disk).

Again, look carefully for the next (?) stage of the installation process, in which GRUB is installed.
GRUB is a special mini-program that helps to boot up an operating system. It supports multiple OSes on one computer, and allows you to select which operating system you want to run.  

What you want to do is let Pardus install GRUB to the MBR (Master Boot Record) of the second hard drive (with Pardus on it). This drive will be identified as either /hdb or /sdb. (Or it may be identified as (hd1) in GRUB's special notation. Right now I can't remember exactly how the YALI installer presented this information during the installation process).  

If I remember correctly, prior to actually writing GRUB to the designated MBR, Pardus's installer will show you a list of the operating systems it has detected. If your Windows shows up in that list, you should be ready to proceed. If Windows is not there, you should probably back out and ask for further advice.

I think that it could cause problems (with booting Windows) if you let GRUB be installed to the MBR of the first hard drive. atolboo or Andreas, could you please verify this for deerb? (Thanks).

The "Bootloader" section from the Pardus Wiki is here:


I think you'd want to select the option labelled

"Selected disk below"
(and then select your 2nd hard drive)

Make sure to have the box checked / selected that says:
"Automatically add other operating systems to the GRUB menu"

< Edit: You might find some extra help / reassurance in this thread:

"Pardus 2009, GRUB2 and multibooting Linux." 5 Nov. 2009. >


Since you mentioned that you're new to Linux, I'd like to offer one more piece of advice:

Work carefully, calmly and slowly -- don't rush through the installation process. It is unlikely that you will do something disastrous, such as erasing your Windows installation. If something happens to mess up GRUB and/or the MBR, don't panic. (It's tempting to panic, but keep your wits about you and do not do anything drastic to the computer). Both OSes are probably fine on your hard drives -- you just can't boot them. Post back here, describe the problem and people will try to help you fix things so that you can boot both systems.


A Fix in Case You Can Only Boot Pardus, and Not Windows:

Pardus includes a handy utility called the Boot Manager (which I use often). I'm attaching a screenshot below so you can see how it looks. (You must be logged in to the User Forum in order to view it).

To access it, go to your Start menu (the Leopard icon) in the lower left-hand corner of your bottom panel. Next,

Go to Computer > System Settings > Computer Administration > Boot Manager

Then you will see a window like what's in the screenshot.

Select Add New > Windows from the drop-down menu, and fill in

(Name of boot entry to be shown at the boot menu)
You would add "Windows 7".

and Disk
(Disk that contains the operating system)
You would add "/dev/sda" (or "/dev/hda").

Next, click on the Apply button to finalize your GRUB entry. You're done.

Restart your PC and hopefully, you will be able to boot into Windows 7 again.

69  General / Introduce yourself / Re: Greetings from north of Boston, MA on: April 30, 2010, 04:35:58 AM
Hi, Mark,

Welcome aboard! I hope you'll have an enjoyable experience using Pardus. Pardus is definitely one of my favorite distros (although I'm also running PCLinuxOS 2010, Fedora 12 [Xfce Spin] and Mint 8 "Helena." Actually, Linux is so good nowadays that it's hard to pick just one distro). It has been stable on my hardware; I like Pardus' balance (up-to-date without being "bleeding-edge") and commend its developers for creating such a quality distro from scratch. Quite an accomplishment.

This is not a huge forum but there are some nice, knowledgeable folks here. In particular, atolboo and Andreas know their Pardus well and always offer timely help.

I'll just mention one resource which has a lot of good info: the Pardus Wiki:


If you need a personal finance/checkbook program, the Pardus repos have KMyMoney and HomeBank available. Another option is Skrooge; it's not in the repositories but I managed to compile it from source and posted a mini-tutorial here in the User Forum. 

Have fun and don't hesitate to post if you run into problems,
70  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Pisi updating stop working on: April 25, 2010, 23:56:28 PM
Hi, Nergard,

You didn't say whether you are using the GUI version of PiSi or updating from the Konsole. (I'm guessing that you are using the GUI). The large number of updates might be causing the GUI-fied PiSi to have problems, so you might try this technique as an alternative:

1. Open up a Konsole.
2. Become the root user by typing
$ su
3. Enter root's password.
4. Type
# pisi upgrade

When I become aware that there are updates available, I first use PiSi's GUI to look at the list of upgradable packages and make a note of them in my spiral notebook. Then I close PiSi's GUI and use the Konsole method above to actually install the updates. It has worked well for me.  

< Edit: >
I should clarify that this is on an existing Pardus 2009.1 system -- not a new installation. Yesterday I had about 30 updates available, including packages related to wireless drivers, webcams and most importantly, an updated Linux kernel. IIRC, the kernel was updated to version I haven't had time to test it extensively, but it appears that everything is working fine.

71  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus 2009.2? on: April 22, 2010, 06:21:16 AM
Hi, BellaPup (Hunter [?]),

Just thought I'd say "Welcome aboard!" since this is your first post. If you're interested, feel free to write a short introduction here ( http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?board=18.0 ) so that some of the other members can meet and greet you. 

I hope you will enjoy Pardus as much as I have. It has been stable and fast on my hardware, plus I've been able to find almost all the applications I need in the existing repos. Recently I added Xfce as a second desktop environment; that has been working well, too. The Pardus developers have done a great job.

With best wishes,
72  General / Wish list / Re: [solved]Kmymoney on: March 11, 2010, 03:07:37 AM
Good news for anyone who has been waiting for the KDE 4 version of KMyMoney:

I just finished a rather large update (73 packages, 79.16 MB download) tonight, and I noticed that the new version of KMyMoney was moved from the test repo into the main repository. (I am using the Dutch repos). Look for

kmymoney 3.96.1
kmymoney-docs 3.96.1

So it's no longer necessary to compile KMM from source.
73  General / Wish list / Re: Kmymoney on: March 09, 2010, 02:25:35 AM

Building KMyMoney 3.96.1 on Pardus 2009.1 [How-to]

Andreas mentioned that the beta version of KMyMoney (3.96.1) for KDE 4 is available in the test repository. I do not recommend that you install it from there -- unless you are braver than I am. I tried installing but cancelled the process when I saw that KMM wanted to pull in several odd dependencies, such as PiSi, nano, etc. (Note: Before trying this, I added the Pardus 2009 test repo to my sources list and made certain that it was the only active repository).

So I decided to try compiling KMM from source and was successful. The program is working fine for me thus far; I imported my existing KMM file (from version 1.0.0) and immediately saved it with a new file name. Next, I entered about 20 new checkbook transactions; KMM calculated the account balance correctly. I also reconciled the account against my most recent bank statement, and the reconciliation worked with no problems. (I have not tried any of the online banking features, as we don't bank online. So I can't comment on whether -- or how well -- these features work).

Note: Version 3.96 is the second beta release (15 Feb. 2010) of KMM. It has been stabilized and fixes bugs found in the first beta release (28 Dec. 2009). The second beta is not officially recommended for general use. However, the KMM development team typically produces high-quality work and Alvaro Soliverez wrote that "We are confident that it is stable enough for use by early adopters." He also notes that the KMM developers are using it themselves to manage their finances.

The second beta release announcement can be read here:


If you're interested in trying the new KMM and providing feedback to the devs about issues you encounter, I'd encourage you to take the plunge. The build process is not terribly complicated; if I can do it, you can too.

Here are the basic steps I followed:

1. Check to make sure that the component packages required to compile KMyMoney are installed on your system:

kdelibs-devel 4.3.5
qt 4.5.3

Pardus's Build Essentials package (can be installed via the Konsole):
(This includes utilities such as gcc 4.3.3, make 3.81, automake and cmake 2.6.4. It will also install other tools which you don't need at the moment, but may be useful later). 

kdepimlibs-devel 4.3.5 (plus several dependencies)
libxml2-docs 2.7.3
libxml2 2.7.3
libxmlpp 2.26.0
gwenhywfar 3.11.3
doxygen 1.5.9

2. Go the main page of the KMM website ( http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/index-home.html ) and download the beta version from the hyperlink labelled "3.96.1 for KDE 4 (beta)." It is not a large download -- approx. 14 MB. The file name is kmymoney-3.96.1.tar.bz2.

At the beginning of the download, I chose the option "Open with Ark (default)."

When the download finished, I saved the decompressed file(s) to my /home folder by clicking on the "Extract" button in Ark's toolbar. This should place a folder named kmymoney-3.96.1 in your /home directory.

3. Now you can follow the "Quick-start" instructions written by Joerg Rodeheuser (7 Feb. 2009); they are included in the file named README.cmake. I will summarize them here.

4. Check that you have the required version of cmake installed. (Version 2.4 is required as a minimum; the most recent stable version is preferred). Open a Konsole and enter:

$ cmake --version

On my system, this returned the output below:

$ cmake version 2.6-patch 4

If this result is OK, proceed to Step 5.

5. Navigate to your top KMM directory (in my case, this looked as follows):

david@david-pardus ~ $ ls
Desktop    Downloads  kmymoney-3.96.1  Pictures  Videos
Documents  Finances   Music            Skrooge

david@david-pardus ~ $ cd kmymoney-3.96.1

david@david-pardus kmymoney-3.96.1 $

and type the following commands:

$ mkdir build

$ cd build

$ cmake ..

If the configuration is successful, you should see a message like:

"Good - your configure finished. Start make now."

$ make

I did not precisely time how long the "make" process took on my computer (specs given in my signature below), but I estimate that it took 10-15 minutes. If you have a slower CPU and less RAM, the process might take 30-40 minutes or more.

10. At this point, you are ready to finalize the installation.

$ su

$ < Enter your password >

# make install

# exit

11. With some luck, if everything went well, you will have a bright, shiny KDE4 version of KMyMoney that looks like my attached screenshot below. The build process should automatically add a menu entry under Applications > Office > KMyMoney (with the KMM icon, the gold coin embossed with a "K").

Once KMM has been completely installed, the kmymoney-3.96.1 folder in your /home directory will be 121.5 MB in size.

I hope these tips will help you successfully build/compile the KDE 4 version of KMM. Please feel free to correct any mistakes and/or omissions in this how-to.


74  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: pardus grub not detecting other OS (dual boot) on: February 14, 2010, 09:46:43 AM
Hi, atolboo,

I would just like to say "Thank you!" for your tip above on adding Mint 8 (and Ubuntu 9.10) to Pardus 2009.1's GRUB Legacy. It worked like a charm. Pardus's GRUB is controlling my MBR, and I added my freshly installed Mint to it. (I'm posting this from Mint).

I had read so many favorable comments about Mint that I wanted to try it out. However, I know very little about GRUB 2 and didn't entirely trust it to manage the MBR or properly detect my other two operating systems. (I wasn't sure that I could fix it if I ran into problems). I feel more comfortable with GRUB Legacy and have seen firsthand that Pardus is good at detecting / accommodating other OSes.

My new computer finally arrived, and I've been working on setting it up. So far I'm very pleased with it; I have installed Pardus 2009.1, PCLinuxOS 2009.2 (KDE 4.3.4 version) and Mint 8 "Helena." There is still some free space on the hard drive; I was considering the possibility of installing a fourth distro (either Fedora 12 or Scientific Linux), but I decided that three is enough for the time being.

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge,

75  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: don`t get along with this horrible kde 4 on: February 09, 2010, 19:55:39 PM
Hi, ilanesh,

Sorry to hear that you and KDE 4 are not getting along well. I only recently made the transition to KDE 4 myself; there was a learning curve at the beginning -- and I'm still learning about it. I like KDE 4 thus far and believe that it has received some unfair criticism ... I found these two websites helpful as I got started; maybe they would help you, too:

KDE 4 UserBase Tutorials

Williams, Rob. "Ten KDE 4 Tricks Worth Knowing About." 18 Dec. 2009.

That said, if your mind is already made up about KDE 4 and you want to try an alternative desktop environment, another option on Pardus is XFCE. I sucessfully installed it about a month ago following the instructions below, but I haven't used XFCE much. Perhaps XFCE would be a good match for you.

Installing XFCE. [From the Pardus Wiki]

"Pardus 2009 with XFCE."

HTH and Good luck,

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