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16  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 31, 2012, 18:19:07 PM
The google doc form can actually be accessed in spreadsheet view using this link:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjqEKqxjPVgZdC1mZm12b1laYlZpTzYySjZzQllYT1E

I would recommending downloading with 'File' -> 'Download as' within the google docs screen because viewing the speadsheet online is tricky.

Right now there are 23 submissions which isn't half bad. Hopefully more will fill it out over time. Perhaps it needs to be re-posted to Facebook eventually and even sent to pardus-camia.

If anyone is interested please use the form to tell us about your commitment to pardus:

Pardus Community Commitment Form (please complete in English)
17  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 31, 2012, 15:06:17 PM
Good luck with your Mageia (Mandriva). Honestly that distro is one of the last distros I would consider to replace pardus, can't stand rpm and urpmi, not to mention the over complication of their gui package manager...

btw your estimation of how many community contributors are out there is extremely low. With all nationalities considered I would expect (based on the current community reaction) at least 80-100 contributors, mostly packagers and translators. We should end up with a similar effort to what the Mageia community has currently (hopefully around 60 supporters or more).
18  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 30, 2012, 16:21:14 PM
Excellent, thank you ludo for your support!

Pardus is a great open source project. It is hard to imagine it will disappear.
19  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 30, 2012, 15:52:13 PM
Latest from Pardus-

http://lists.pardus.org.tr/pardus-devel/2012-January/002372.html

So they are going to remove the repositories? This message is very vague... It sounds like they will erase any new commits that are made to devel... What the heck does this mean? They've never removed an old repo from their servers in the past...
20  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 30, 2012, 08:41:27 AM
Thank you anglo. Also, if some of you don't already know this, here is where the vast majority of the Turkish community is speaking regarding the current the life or death of Pardus:

http://lists.pardus.org.tr/pardus-camia/2012-January/date.html

You can try to read using google translate... Also here is where you can subscribe:

http://lists.pardus.org.tr/mailman/listinfo/pardus-camia
21  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 29, 2012, 22:17:44 PM
So we're supposed to sit around and wait? At a minimum we need to build our defenses and resources. Show TUBITAK how many people are wanting to be involved in a community maintained Pardus.

They act like waiting is no big deal but in the real world, we cannot trust using completely unsupported software. MANY users will abandon Pardus out of fear if nothing happens soon. Maybe that is what TUBITAK is wanting...

Right now many have signed our community commitment form:
(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dC1mZm12b1laYlZpTzYySjZzQllYT1E6MQ)

...and according to our friends on Facebook we have a server on the way from the Pardus Users Association (http://www.pkd.org.tr/) that will be set up as a build farm. I believe their goal is to work with TUBITAK as well (as much as possible) to arrange some sort of agreement to continue Pardus as it is (without an official fork) but, if TUBITAK is unwilling then Pardus will be forked by the community.

So, we do not wait. We aid others who are willing to work with us. I think this means we need to get a new repo online with updates and bug fixes while we wait. We will need a bug tracker as well (redmine would work really well for this actually).

Right now I have been talking with Hamit Giray Nart who is helping with communication in organizing this build farm.

Also, I am still interested in working out of github if the above plan does not succeed in the end. Since Ozan does not respond to our messages we can still fork his github with a click of a button.
22  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 29, 2012, 18:16:27 PM
Count me in, but I tried facebook and didn't like it so I dropped it.  I plan on signing up with AnyBeat  They seem to respect one's privacy much better.

Excellent Lisa- I don't know if the Facebook group will be a permanent home but we have many channels for communication.
23  Assistance / Pardus Project / Re: A Pardus fork? on: January 29, 2012, 16:20:35 PM
read this (just posted today):

http://www.pardusworld.com/pardus-2011-end-of-life/
24  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 29, 2012, 16:14:43 PM
Thank you atolboo Smiley
25  Assistance / Pardus Project / Re: A Pardus fork? on: January 29, 2012, 16:13:11 PM

+1 this ship is going down but the captain states it's ok to stay on board for a while....we have seen that before IRL recently...

Personally I am not sure if I will stick to Pardus, also in the form of a fork, the fundaments are much weaker all of a sudden, where one of the advantages of Pardus was the strong support in Turkey.

The downside for Pardus remains the PISI package format and the language barrier. Technically there may be nothing wrong with PISI packages, but life would be quite easier and the community quite bigger when either DEB or RPM packages would be chosen as default.

Like some other guys here, I will keep using 2011.2 for the time being (NOTE I have been using Pardus as my SOLE OS at home for 4 years now, I do not quit easily, but I am planning to do so), but I am not sure I will be using Pardus thereafter in the near future. It is a pity that is for sure.

Thank you for your comments Michiel. If you have been using Pardus for the past 4 years then you are likely not going to want to switch to another distro. Once you try them for awhile you will likely realize how clunky and difficult to manage many of them are in comparison to Pardus.

There are many problems with deb and especially rpm type packages and it doesn't make any sense to begin to think that those formats are the future of linux package management. What about arch and pacmac? What about gentoo and portage? There is plenty of room for a Pardus fork in the community especially with its unique package manager pisi.

In my opinion rpm and deb are the problems with the other major distributions, and I believe many agree that pisi is superior.
26  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 29, 2012, 15:43:47 PM
I have created a Google Doc that will be used to collect potential contributor information.

If you are interested in contributing to the future of Pardus as a community then please fill out this form to the best of your ability.

Keeping the form in English is preferable but if you are unable to write in English then that is okay, all form submissions are welcome!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dC1mZm12b1laYlZpTzYySjZzQllYT1E6MQ

Please copy and paste this link on any forum that you'd like in order to spread the word about Pardus and this community effort.
27  Assistance / Pardus Project / Re: A Pardus fork? on: January 29, 2012, 15:40:19 PM
They want us to wait until the end of March to do anything... Can't even imagine...

Anyways, I have created a Google Doc that will be used to collect potential contributor information.

If you are interested in contributing to the future of Pardus as a community then please fill out this form to the best of your ability.

Keeping the form in English is preferable but if you are unable to write in English then that is okay, all form submissions are welcome!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dC1mZm12b1laYlZpTzYySjZzQllYT1E6MQ

Please copy and paste this link on any forum that you'd like in order to spread the word about Pardus and this community effort.

[EDIT]

Also, we should try to put all communication regarding the fork on just one thread. richdb has posted the link above.
28  General / General topics / Re: Pardus End of Life on: January 28, 2012, 20:33:14 PM
Thank you for the kind words kalwisti. I have taken your handle down and will keep you in mind for testing and bug fixing, whatever the case may be (fork or continuation of Pardus).

Instead of keeping this thread alive, we should have everyone post regarding the fork/continuation of Pardus on this thread:

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=4312.0
29  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 28, 2012, 19:57:36 PM
Pastebin of our FB group chat:

http://pastebin.com/8ni1CzFi
30  Assistance / News & Announcements / Re: Pardus Fork on: January 28, 2012, 19:42:10 PM
We have been discussing the future of Pardus on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/pisiciftligi/

I recommend anyone who hasn't joined this group, please do asap.

We have discussed the possibility of working with TUBITAK to make Pardus a community maintained distribution allowing us to keep the name Pardus and the reputation in tact.

I am unsure how this will play out. I and others have contacted Ozan Çağlayan to see if he is on-board with approaching a continuation of Pardus, or if he believes a fork is in order. I have not received a response yet.

I haven't seen any other Pardus developers come forward and say they want to continue Pardus (or a fork), so please, if you are a Pardus developer and want Pardus to survive then please post to this forum to let us know you are here.
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