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31  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: No proprietary video driver for Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 on: August 07, 2011, 17:10:45 PM
Thanks again.

Apparently there is no panda package for Pardus 2009.2 so I can't check which driver is actually being used and the last time I selected a different driver from the list (on another machine), I couldn't log back in to the graphical desktop and it took a long time to fix it so I'm wary of trying that again. I just wish I could really pin down which driver is being used.

I don't use Kwin on this laptop (although it does work ok with whatever this driver is) so that's not a problem. My main puzzle is, that given the fglrx module/driver is not installed on this laptop and it's working fine with whatever the driver being used is, then why doesn't Pardus 2011.1 work as well (also with Kwin disabled) with the same (apparently, according to lsmod, if that's what is shows) driver?

I really like Pardus and KDE and I don't want to change to another distro, so I'll just stick with Pardus 2009.2 on the laptop.
32  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: No proprietary video driver for Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 on: August 06, 2011, 23:50:58 PM
Thanks SW, I appreciate the assistance. I'm a bit confused about this whole thing though. I reinstalled Pardus 2009.2 and the lsmod output is similar to Pardus 2011.1:

Pardus 2009.2:

Code:
airtight@airtight-pardus ~ $ lsmod | grep radeon
radeon                435140  2
ttm                    36332  1 radeon
drm_kms_helper         25252  1 radeon
drm                   148036  5 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit            5104  1 radeon

Pardus 2011.1:

Code:
airtight@pardus2011-airtight-laptop ~ $ lsmod | grep radeon
radeon                555117  2
ttm                    46322  1 radeon
drm_kms_helper         25030  1 radeon
drm                   150107  4 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit            3890  1 radeon

Pardus 2009 was using the official fglrx driver from ati. As fatih said unfortunately fglrx donĀ“t longer support R300 chipset. Meanwhile the OpenSource driver seems quite good: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?26651-AMD-s-R300-Gallium3D-Driver-Is-Looking-Good-For-2011

In the output above for Pardus 2009.2, it doesn't say VMware or Gallium. In the list of drivers in the Video Card Configuration I can see only radeon, radeonhd, ati and vmware. So the output above seems to be saying that a driver called radeon driver is being used, not the official fglrx driver. Am I interpreting that correctly? Also, I searched in Package Manager for fglrx and found these uninstalled entries (see attached picture) so maybe the official fglrx driver wasn't being used by default, maybe it is up to me to install it and then select it from the list of drivers. But then why does it already mention ati and vmware in the dropdown list of drivers? Huh?

Second bad thing that happened is that KWin dropped R300 support by accident: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/06/need-an-ati-r300/

Just want to be clear on this. My (and yours) graphics chip is:

Code:
lspci -nn | grep VGA
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] [1002:4e50]

So it seems that whatever applies to chip R300 also applies to the RV350, is that right?

Seems that Kwin not using the capabilities of the grafic engine since KDE 4.6.x   Undecided

Yes, a regression. Just goes to show that new is not always better.

Maybe KDE 4.7.x brings some improvement. This is not only related to Pardus 2011....also other  Distribution using KDE 4.6.x until 4.7.x should have this problem!  Lips Sealed

We're all in it together! Lips Sealed

On a side note, in the output of lshw into html, the "display" section that shows my chip details, is in red, as are a three or four other entries. Anyone know what this means?
33  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Unhandled exception error at end of install to USB stick on: August 06, 2011, 20:08:31 PM
So I installed Pardus 2011.1 to the laptop hard drive and got the same error as I did with flash stick install. Then tried an install with Pardus 2011 to the hard drive and that worked fine.

I filed a bug in Padus Bugzilla only to get a Bugzilla error when I pressed Commit... argh! Have written to the admins as requested by the error page and await a reply.
34  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: No proprietary video driver for Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 on: August 06, 2011, 02:39:41 AM
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...I'm going to have to reinstall Pardus 2009.2 and see what driver was being used then because it was working well. Don't understand why Pardus 2011.1 is not using the same one.

So I'm guessing that Pardus 2009.2 is using the same driver as Pardus 2011.1 if it's using the open source driver. So, what would make it perform worse on 2011.1? Any ideas welcome.
35  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: No proprietary video driver for Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 on: August 05, 2011, 19:35:51 PM
the following two links were pointed out to me by atolboo. maybe they are in one way or another useful to you too.
i've also got both ubuntu and fedora installed, so i'm going to tinker with it a bit. if any success, i'll post it on this forum.

http://asusm51ta-with-linux.blogspot.com/
and
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Vga_switcheroo

Thanks, I had a look but they seem to be for computers with two graphic cards/chips. I'm going to have to reinstall Pardus 2009.2 and see what driver was being used then because it was working well. Don't understand why Pardus 2011.1 is not using the same one.
36  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: No proprietary video driver for Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 on: August 05, 2011, 03:05:23 AM
Sorry for bad news: http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=17793

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Well sorry for this bad news but your card is not compatible with fglrx drivers
(our Driver database prevent this, thus you couldn't see the selection of
closed source drivers). They (ATI/ADM) dropped support for these cards. You
only option is to use the open source driver (that's also better for you, ATI
doesn't care of users, it's better if you use the open source drivers and
report issues to the developers. They are continuesly developing and making
good improvements there).
Ah, well thanks for pointing that out. It is bad news, indeed. The open source driver is, at the moment, not good enough. I see you have the same laptop as me only with twice as much RAM. Great little machine and was running Pardus 2009.2 really well. I wonder what driver 2009.2 was using because everything was working just fine. Do you happen to know? I think I'm going to go back to 2009.2 anyway, 2011/2011.1 is too problematic for me on this machine.
37  Assistance / Bugs / Re: Pardus bugzilla in english? on: August 04, 2011, 22:10:39 PM
Changed my email preferences to English and it seems ok now. Maybe it was ok before and I'm just going mad...
38  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: No proprietary video driver for Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 on: August 04, 2011, 20:47:13 PM
unfortunately i do not have a solution for you but you might want to take a look here:
http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3963.0
and
http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=18819

Thanks. Looks like there is not a solution at the moment then. There is just the one graphics chip in this machine though so I'll file a bug when I can work out how to Pardus bugzilla in English.

Cheers.
39  Assistance / Bugs / Pardus bugzilla in english? on: August 04, 2011, 20:42:16 PM
I filled a bug before and had no problem but now when I log in it's all in Turkish and I can't see how to switch to English. Maybe I'm just missing something. Can anyone help?
40  Assistance / Installing Pardus / No proprietary video driver for Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 on: August 04, 2011, 00:18:17 AM
I tried an install of Pardus 2011.1 on my laptop hard drive and got the same Unhandled Exception error as I did when installing it to the flash stick. So I installed Pardus 2011 and that went ok, no errors. I did the updates to get me to Pardus 2011.1. However, in the Display Settings the selection check box for the proprietary driver is greyed out so I can't install it. The video card/chip is:

lspci -nn | grep VGA
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] [1002:4e50]

The driver being used doesn't seem very good because when I drag a window it's very jerky and the edges break up. Just wondered if anyone else has the same video card/chip and has the same problem and is seeing the same thing in the Display Settings?

This was not happening with Pardus 2009.2 installed on the same laptop. I don't know which driver was being used (I didn't look) but window dragging was smooth, no problems at all.
41  Assistance / Bugs / Re: Problem with dualbooting Pardus 2011. on: August 03, 2011, 22:28:18 PM
This is the tutorial me and a friend (me on 32-bit, he on 64-bit) both followed to dual-boot Pardus 2011 and Windows 7. Neither of us have encountered any problems so far. It worked perfectly on an install where Windows 7 was there first and we were adding Pardus 2011 after.

Thanks for the link alex, I'll give it a read. Cheers.

Dale
42  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Unhandled exception error at end of install to USB stick on: August 03, 2011, 22:26:04 PM
Here is a USB guide to:
http://kpweb.homelinux.org/blog/index.php?id=17

Here they sell many distributions pre-installed on USB flash drives:
http://linuxcd.org/index.php

But not with Pardus. Embarrassed

Thanks for the link John. I don't have enough memory to run a VM but I've got it bookmarked for future reference. Cheers.

Dale
43  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Unhandled exception error at end of install to USB stick on: August 01, 2011, 23:26:43 PM
..... but it took a very long time,
I also wrote "4. After the installation (which takes ~ 1 hour)".
And this is because USB is a slow interface compared to the  HDD interface.

Yes, I was expecting it to, I'm just not in a hurry to repeat the experiment only to find it fails again at the last hurdle... Wink

Dale
44  General / General topics / Re: English PardusWiki on: August 01, 2011, 23:21:41 PM
.....will Pardus still make the dual boot menu to choose between Windows and Pardus?
Yes.

Ok.

And would I still install grub on the MBR of the first (Windows) drive?
  what will be in Summary overview.....

Ok, that's a yes.

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And it's always possible to use the "Back" button and choose the Advanced settings in Bootloader Grin

Yes, I realise that I could install grub to the second (Pardus drive) drive MBR but if I did that I am not sure if Pardus would still show both the Windows and Pardus drive choice when I boot up?
45  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Unhandled exception error at end of install to USB stick on: August 01, 2011, 22:32:34 PM
I was doing the install to a USB stick form your guide here:

http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Creating_an_USB_device_in_order_to_test_any_Computer/Notebook/Netbook

I could try it again but it took a very long time, so I may try an install of Pardus 2011.1 to the hard drive of the laptop I am using instead of the USB stick. Just need to image the drive first so I can easily go back to how it is now.

Dale
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