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1  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: XFCE or Gnome with 2011 on: April 21, 2011, 00:06:14 AM
Does anybody know if the gnome project is working on Gnome 3? I was fiddling with Fedora 15 the other day and I found it to be a very smooth, sleek, and very productive/efficient desktop. The only problem... it's not pardus Cheesy. Of course it's offsetting at first but it is very useful and productive if that's what you are looking for. Here is a good review so far.

Certainly worth checking out. The live cd works well also. Gnome 3 doesn't seem to work on a Vbox as it is too intensive, like compiz or kwin.

Let me know what you guys think.
2  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Sapphire/ATI Radeon 9200/9250 PCI on Pardus 2011 driver needed on: April 18, 2011, 00:54:03 AM
Hey guys. Just letting everyone know that might be interested.

I own both a Ati Radeon 4850 512, and a Nvidia GTS 250 512.

These are equivalent cards with the same amount of memory.
I have been using the Nvidia since I bought it (had the 4850 first) and found the results to be much better with the Nvidia card at the time. I have had it for about a year.

I just switched the card out and put in the 4850 to see how it would compare. So far I'm very pleased. It seems to be about on part with the Nvidia card with playing games. But the biggest difference I have seen has been with firefox and flash... I'm very surprised by this because I wasn't expecting any difference. I have noticed that flash has not been performing very well with FF 4 so far, but when I put in my ATI card it was like night and day. I have a feeling that something in the internal workings with FF has taken out the video acceleration from the Nvidia card and ATI still has the acceleration function.

Nvidia still seems to work slightly better with Kwin, but it's negligible. I haven't tested any movies or videos with any players yet (mplayer, vlc, etc)

I would very much love to post some actual frames per second results with the phoronix test suite or something, but I haven't been able to get it to properly work on Pardus yet. Would be nice if we could get the GUI working for it...

 Edit: Oh yeah, my flash results were mostly taken from the flash games using facebook. Most notably Age of Champions. If you don't play that, you should it's rather entertaining Cheesy
3  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Auto login feature in 2011? on: April 17, 2011, 23:13:25 PM
Once you get used to it, it's a great DE. And I find it even better in Pardus. Seems very solid. I also came from using Gnome.
4  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Sapphire/ATI Radeon 9200/9250 PCI on Pardus 2011 driver needed on: March 31, 2011, 19:10:08 PM
Glad to hear it's working well and that your happy with your new card.
5  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Sapphire/ATI Radeon 9200/9250 PCI on Pardus 2011 driver needed on: March 30, 2011, 21:26:21 PM
atolboo, can you run 3D applications (google earth, alien arena, nexuiz) with your 5450? Seems odd you don't have desktop effects with a newer Ati card with recent fglrx drivers. Have you had any luck with it on a different distro?
6  Assistance / Installing Pardus / Re: Sapphire/ATI Radeon 9200/9250 PCI on Pardus 2011 driver needed on: March 29, 2011, 01:40:36 AM
I certainly hate to start an argument here, but I don't agree with you saying that AMD could care less about consumers who use linux. In fact, that is a complete fallacy. They are about to/or just hired a bunch of staff that are required to have linux dev background. They have released their their documentation for the open source world to view and use, plus they also employ a few devs that actually work on the open source version of the Radeon drivers. Admittedly they are a bit slower at implementing some of the newest features and getting the proprietary drivers to work with the newest kernels but they do work on it and also take some consideration into what the linux world is doing.

Nvidia does none of this. All the open source drivers for the Nvidia hardware are build from reverse engineering. Plus Nvidia has said they won't support certain future features of the linux kernel ever. (KMS).

However, with that said, last I checked the proprietary Nvidia drivers are still performing a bit better then AMD proprietary drivers, but I haven't checked it out in about a year and I have heard/read some amazing stuff about the latest AMD drivers.

It isn't just linux that AMD dropped support for the R600 core and older, they did the same on windows. So it's necessary to use older drivers on windows as well. The problem here is that the newer kernels aren't supported by the proprietary drivers for the older R600 cores (and older) so the only way to go with those is the open source drivers. I'm not sure how to do it on Pardus, but you can get some decent performance (even 3D) out of those old AMD cards with the open source RADEON drivers.

Just so everyone knows, I use a Nvidia GTS 250 because I generally use the proprietary drivers, and as I said before they generally perform better. I'm not a fanboy either way.

For loads of info on all this stuff check out www.phoronix.com. You'll have to do a bit of searching to find all the info cause it's in lots of different articles.

Perhaps someone knows how to use the latest Radeon open source drivers for those R600 cards and older, so that it isn't necessary for the people with problems to upgrade. (depending upon usage of course)

http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo is a link of a how to.

I can't say for sure, but between the X1000 and the HD2000 cards is when AMD bought out ATI or slightly before. Since that time AMD/ATI has made a huge come back and actually started working with the Linux world (when it was ATI they shunned Linux) so it has all pretty much been rewritten and built up from scratch. I wouldn't be surprised if that is also why support for those cards was dropped.

Nvidia dropped support for old cards as well (stop making new drivers for them) so you have to use old ones that aren't very good like the Nvidia chip on my wifes laptop. (can't remember what it is at the moment. But it is older and the open source drivers is virtually the same but supports more)

Edit: could try adding the testing or dev repos to get the latest, but eventually it should get into the official repos either way.
7  Assistance / Configuring Pardus / Re: PulseAudio on: March 28, 2011, 22:49:18 PM
Hey there Bella Pup,
Another option would be to try one of the lighter linux distro's out there, like puppy. Last I checked it doesn't use pulse audio. I used it for a while and it's a great distro but I found it a bit limited.
Another option if your up to it is to try Arch Linux. This is a distro you have to semi-build yourself but with the documentation on the arch website it's fairly easy. Plus it's a good way to become familiar with the CLI (command line interface). With arch you choose what you put into it. When I was using it I used ALSA for a while, then switched to OSS. It's similar to Gentoo but much easier.

I'm not sure how to disable pulse in Pardus (haven't had any issues with it) sorry.

Best of luck. Cheesy
8  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: KDE 4.6 on: March 25, 2011, 18:41:14 PM
I'm not seeing it.
9  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: XFCE or Gnome with 2011 on: March 23, 2011, 03:33:42 AM
Great, thanks. I'll have to take a look at this. With the XFCE beta project, does it use the same official pardus repos or do you supply your own or a mix of both? Thanks again for all the info.

10  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / XFCE or Gnome with 2011 on: March 22, 2011, 18:21:26 PM
I have noticed that Gnome and XFCE are both in the repos of 2011. I'm just wondering what the proper way of installing the Gnome and XFCE desktop's are in pardus. I'm used to packages for installing DE's not each file separately. My wife has an older laptop that runs KDE 4.5 a bit slow (AMD 2800+, 512 RAM) and Gnome and XFCE seem to work better on it from other distros.
11  General / General topics / Firefox 4.0 on: March 22, 2011, 18:17:01 PM
Well, it's finally released. Lets hope to see it in the repos pretty quick. Would be nice to have a proper (non beta/rc) release of FF again Cheesy.
12  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: KDE 4.6 on: March 21, 2011, 03:49:41 AM
The census so far has been varying stability on different distros so far as I can tell. With Opensuse 11.4 I have heard great things about the performance (likely due to kernel 2.6.38 and to KDE 4.6.0) but there is also lots of complaints about the stability of the system. Although, I have also seen some good stuff about KDE 4.6.0-1 on Arch. So it could be the packaging or something. If it is quite necessary for you to have it, although I wouldn't do it cause I'm not familiar enough with Pardus, but you could try building it yourself. Then you can assess it and maybe even help the devs out with it potentially.
13  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: KDE 4.6 on: March 20, 2011, 07:15:22 AM
well, when stuff is worked on and tested then it will eventually make the stable release. The key word there is "stable" so there is already a bunch of stuff in the testing repos (not kde 4.6 though). So they are still working out bugs and such. Don't forget the dev team isn't all that large. Plus they probably won't release certain things like Firefox and KDE till they deem it stable, usually the first couple of releases of KDE 4.X.0-1-2 aren't all that incredibly stable at least that's how it was with 4.3 4.4 and less so, but still with 4.5 even. Haven't tried 4.6 yet but I have heard mixed things about the stability of it.
14  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: KDE 4.6 on: March 17, 2011, 04:15:18 AM
Not so far. Be patient. I have looked into 4.6 a bit more, even though there are performance improvements there have also been some issues, so it's probably being tried out by the devs and I'm sure we'll see it when it's rock solid like the rest of pardus Cheesy
15  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: KDE 4.6 on: March 10, 2011, 03:29:58 AM
Thank you very much SW. You are very informative, hope I'm not becoming a pain. Where are you getting all this info?

Thanks again. Cheesy
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