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1  Assistance / Laptop / Re: and then it all went down... on: September 20, 2011, 03:53:19 AM
Is there any improvement in the newer version of NetworkManager under Pardus 2011.2? I'm still baffled by the lack of options between my installation and yours, owiknowi, specifically the absence of "connect to hidden wireless network." I'm even wondering whether that option has been dropped by developers of NM. Anyone know?
2  General / The Pub / Re: Microsoft declares victory over Linux. on: August 18, 2011, 18:49:19 PM
In a news report here in the U.S. about an hour ago there was a segment on the "big 4" in tech, a story generated by Google's purchase of a major piece of Motorola, a legendary corporate name in technology products like televisions, radios. Named as the "big 4" were Apple, Google, Facebook, and Amazon. I waited expectantly for mention of Micro$oft to no avail. Not a word. Nada.

Wow! I'm a veteran of the Micro$oft OS/2 wars of the 1990s. To me the silence is deafening.
3  General / As seen on the internet / Re: Why Linux are not ready for the desktop? on: August 18, 2011, 18:25:34 PM
And I for three!
4  General / General topics / Re: Some about Pardus. on: August 18, 2011, 18:22:39 PM
Linuxidiots.blogspot authors would do well to spend time at a liberal arts university to develop critical thinking/writing skills that reflect knowledge that lazy butt Roy is not that way just because his parents support him at a "liberal artsy university." I wonder whether Roy is left handed!? Grin
5  Assistance / Laptop / Re: and then it all went down... on: August 18, 2011, 04:32:49 AM
Quote from: DavidD
I never touch the laptop wireless switch. The indicator lights up on installation of Fedora or Pardus or aptosid.

While in installing Pardus again I noticed the light came on at the beginning of the process, even before files were loaded onto the HD - which would support, I believe, your assertion, atolboo, that the light means only that the switch is on. After loading Pardus, however, I ran the Live DVD of aptosid. The light did not come on until, after getting to the Live desktop, I used CENI (the wireless tool in aptosid) to configure wireless.
6  Assistance / Laptop / Re: and then it all went down... on: August 18, 2011, 04:13:04 AM
owiknowi,

I've already removed Pardus on that laptop. On this desktop machine I have what I hope you will see attached (they do not show up in a preview, so I hope they will after I post this note). I found the network manager GUI in pisi, installed it, and rebooted trying to get it on the menu; but I cannot find it now that it is installed. So I see what I saw before, and I do not have the option to "connect to a hidden wireless network." These same conditions applied to the laptop: no option to "connect to a hidden wireless network" as with network manager in other distributions.

David

I reinstalled on the laptop because I saw that there was an update to Network Manager. I was hoping that the same nm-applet GUI owiknowi has would show up this time. NM-applet is now installed and running, but I see the same GUI as above. So I still have no way to "connect to a hidden wireless network" through this implementation of Network Manager.

Installed besides nm-applet is "Network Manager." Could this package be the reason I cannot see what owiknowi sees? I think the answer must be "no," since any removal of that package will remove a bunch of essential pieces of KDE.
7  Assistance / Laptop / Re: and then it all went down... on: August 09, 2011, 21:00:05 PM
NMwindow.png shows no Wlan interface.
This does mean that there is no such interface present or there is no driver active when the interface is present.

There is no =wireless= interface on my desktop machine, from which I sent the png.

For sure the adapter is recognized on installation, as the light come on without my doing anything.
No, this only means that the power to the interface is not switched off.
That´s all Wink

I am reluctant to argue, since I am not a computer scientist and there's too much I don't know; but I never touch the laptop wireless switch. The indicator lights up on installation of Fedora or Pardus or aptosid -- including the running of a Live CD version. These distros include the b43 things that supports 4306, 4311 (rev 1), 4318, and 4320. It does not light up for any other I've tried lately -- all require downloading b43-fwcutter and the drivers. Where there are these things, there is light!  (Ubi res, lux ibi est.  Cheesy)
8  Assistance / Laptop / Re: and then it all went down... on: August 09, 2011, 19:30:16 PM
Even though there is no wireless adapter on this machine, I have left wireless enabled (default upon installation) as you observed. And even without such an adapter Pardus sees the wireless network. That possibly could be related to the fact that some time ago I inserted a PCI wireless card to check whether the failure to reconnect on re-boot was peculiar to that laptop. It wasn't, so I removed the adapter.

What I sent as attachments is what I also have seen with Pardus 2011 and 2011.1 on my laptop. For sure the adapter is recognized on installation, as the light come on without my doing anything. I have never seen the kind of network-manager that is in Ubuntu, Mint, etc., the GUI that is much the same as what you attached in your note just upstream. Mageia, by the way, does not have the Broadcom firmware included, so there has to be a download via wired connection and a CLI installation process. Thus, the live CD for Mageia would not be a test.
9  Assistance / Laptop / Re: and then it all went down... on: August 09, 2011, 17:56:18 PM
owiknowi,

I've already removed Pardus on that laptop. On this desktop machine I have what I hope you will see attached (they do not show up in a preview, so I hope they will after I post this note). I found the network manager GUI in pisi, installed it, and rebooted trying to get it on the menu; but I cannot find it now that it is installed. So I see what I saw before, and I do not have the option to "connect to a hidden wireless network." These same conditions applied to the laptop: no option to "connect to a hidden wireless network" as with network manager in other distributions.

David
10  Assistance / Laptop / Re: and then it all went down... on: August 05, 2011, 22:09:22 PM
I said a few weeks ago that I would install 2011.1 on this HP Compaq V2000 series laptop with a Broadcom 4318 wireless card. With 2011 I had the wireless re-connecting to a hidden wireless network, but Pardus would not shut down completely. Additional information about the quirks of my setup:

1. a startup script (iwconfig wlan0 essid ... key s: ...) at first did not work, then it did work, then I didn't need it to autostart the hidden wireless connection.
2. A modification of the avahi configuration file may have helped, but changing it back (this issue is discussed way upstream in this topic) seemed to have no negative effect.

So ... I have installed Pardus 2011.1 (64 bits), and still there is no connection to a hidden wireless network without manual intervention after the boot. I tried #1 and #2 above, but no joy.

While owiknowi's HP DV6 machine has more severe issues, it seems that Pardus has a problem with hidden wireless networks that no other distribution among those I've tried encounters. I find no mechanism for connecting to a hidden wireless network in Network Manager. The ONLY way I can do it is with the iwconfig wlan0 command -- at the beginning and after every single re-boot.

I've waited patiently for a response to my bug report of March 2011 on this issue. While I'm pleased that Pardus, unlike Mageia and some others, has the built-in kernel firmware for Broadcom 4318, the necessity of manual start for wireless is a show-stopper for keeping Pardus on this machine.

owiknowi, you indicated above that you found in Network Manager the ability to "connect to a hidden wireless network." Where? How did you do that? I can't find it.
11  Assistance / Laptop / Re: and then it all went down... on: July 21, 2011, 21:33:25 PM
Atolboo, let me try to crawl out of my hole by mentioning that it is 32 degrees here today, but the "feels like" temperature is 37.7, as humidity and dew point levels are VERY high. Tomorrow it will be even higher -- 43 to 46 "feels like" degrees.

Um ... that's Celsius ... of course!  Cheesy
12  General / As seen on the internet / Re: LinuxBSDos Reviews Pardus 2011.1 on: July 21, 2011, 21:20:00 PM
Caitlyn Martin wrote a nice review of 2011 on 25 April. I doubt we'll see another for the .1 upgrade, but it's possible. The page to which you provided a link, John, lists 2011.1 as the last update occurring in the very early hours of July 12.
13  Assistance / Download/Repos / Re: Pardus 2011.1 repos on: July 20, 2011, 01:43:44 AM
 Grin  Embarrassed Good one! Got me!
14  Assistance / Download/Repos / Re: Pardus 2011.1 repos on: July 19, 2011, 23:05:09 PM
Yes, I was sleepy, having driven many miles during the day.  Roll Eyes

Thanks for the hint, Atolboo; I should have thought of that strategy.
15  Assistance / Download/Repos / Re: Pardus 2011.1 repos on: July 19, 2011, 00:14:53 AM
Code:
Athlon6000 ~ # pisi lr
pardus [active]
   http://packages.pardus.org.tr/pardus/2011/stable/x86_64/pisi-index.xml.xz
Pardus User [active]
   http://pakete.pardususer.de/pardus-2011/x86_64/pisi-index.xml.xz
Developer [inactive]
   http://paketler.pardus.org.tr/pardus/2011/devel/x86_64/pisi-index.xml.xz

If I try to substitute 2011.1 for 2011 in any of the above URLs, I get an error in package manager. There is no valid URL I can find with 2011.1 in the name, which is apparently what Freebird found out, too. Huh?

My conclusion, then, is that the 2011 repos continue for 2011.1. I do not know how to find out how many packages there are in the repos I use, so that information does not help me. I see the command
Code:
pisi la
but I'm not going to count the lines that are generated to find out. Surely there is another way.

Thanks to all,
David
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