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16  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 27, 2011, 11:07:06 AM
To achieve this do in System Settings > Boot Manager > Edit > add to Boot Options
Code:
pci=nommconf
And restart to become active.
If not successful, remove the added option again.
(equivalent to this post)

Tried it but the Apply was greyed out so the "pci=nommconf" didn't stick so wouldn't work
_o_ Lisa
17  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 27, 2011, 07:42:16 AM

No apologies needed from anyone, Grin

Thanks again for your work Lisa.

i fully agree with you there maurice, and especially not from those who put so much effort in to helping someone!
sometimes the best help is not always the actual answer, but the way one gets there:
getting to know others along the way and learning new things. so, lisa: _O_


That was very well put owiknowi. It has been a long thread and still lacking resolution but I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey for the very reasons you put so eloquently.

PS Pardon my ignorance (I'm still a newbie rember) but what is _O_.  Grin
18  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 27, 2011, 06:41:17 AM

[I'm not keen on changing the DE Anglo, I'm used to KDE.]

A live distro to usb would be as temporary as possible.

[No problems with the machine running cool - it's a monster in size too. And no I can't borrow another card - all my friends are computer illiterates unfortunately. Grin]

The salient factor is the temperature of the card { Addendum : or if the card is still seated properly}

[ Being retired I use the machine pretty well every day - morning, afternoon and evening. Plus I'm one of those users who believe in switching it off when not in use so it gets switched off three or four times a day..]

I was referring to type of usage, e.g transcoding video's ,ripping cd's ,  massive number crunching, playing online games , or simple email, that sort of thing.....

Even a temporary use of  another DE would not solve the problem with my KDE.

I took out the video card, cleaned it and reseated it firmly but to no avail. It's not running hot.

And - no usage of the kind you mention, just email, various websites I visit daily, trying to make a fortune on Forex, downloading the odd distro, Flight Simulator, occasional online shopping -- and, of course, keeping up with this thread. Grin Grin
19  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 27, 2011, 01:49:08 AM
This random behavior is strange.
What is approximately the rate of success/failure of this behavior?
And are there additional circumstances to get a successful shutdown?
Maybe it's wise to report this to the developers through Bugzilla.
I tend to think to a not set (=random) variable when the kernel is started.

Around 1 success in 4or 5 tries. And I can't see any pattern in the randomness.

And I can't file a bug report - I've forgotten my password. Perhaps because I never have to use it to get into the forums. Roll Eyes

I still tend to think it is the kernel. As I said in an earlier post this happened in Pclos with a .38 kernel and was solved when I reverted to a .33 kernel.
20  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 27, 2011, 01:39:27 AM
Some thoughts...........
Try using a different DE (Desktop Environment ) like LXDE , a live one preferably,they run lighter and have different operational demands.
Your video card was introduced in 2007, : so is it running cool ( fan working?) , or is it overclocked?
Can you borrow a newer video card ?
For that matter , is your computer running cool?

Edit : can you give us a general idea of your usage of the beast ?

I'm not keen on changing the DE Anglo, I'm used to KDE.

No problems with the machine running cool - it's a monster in size too. And no I can't borrow another card - all my friends are computer illiterates unfortunately. Grin

Being retired I use the machine pretty well every day - morning, afternoon and evening. Plus I'm one of those users who believe in switching it off when not in use so it gets switched off three or four times a day..
21  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 27, 2011, 01:29:11 AM
Hi Maurice,
and yes, owiknowi, its my job to apologize as I'm really not helping here as all of my ideas go in all kinds of directions, which is hard way to debug. 

I usually go to newegg to read reviews on a board or cpu as you get a rough idea of some problems that others are having, too.  There's a few people that have reported Linux and Intel board problems with ACPI.  I don't like to ask anyone to do a BIOS update, as sometimes it leaves them with a worse off working system, but there are some BIOS updates for your board that fix memory range overlaps.   But whether this fixes your shutdown problem is a big ?  It might get rid of the Soprano memory range error.  Wink

Here is the newegg review page 3
One reviewer said they had to add, and I quote:
"Need pci=nommconf line on kernel boot line".  You might try this if you have not already. 

I was doing search with keywords: "dg33 + shutdown" and came up with plenty of hits. 

And some more of my tests to try that may or may not help is to disable graphics card in BIOS  and boot from the onboard graphics chip.  Good idea from others to try from live media Pardus boot. 
Another idea is when you do get a successful shutdown, be reade and hit the Esc key and this will bring you to terminal console  and it should say stuff like going to runlevel 6, disabling services, unmounting file systems, something about dbus,  and making file system "read/write" or maybe it says "read".   You might catch an error there and you can let us know. 


No apologies needed from anyone, Grin

As for a bios update - after digging down in Intel for the correct one the final link was a broken one so I couldn't go any further. And I would want to be very sure I had the right version before I flashed it.

"Need pci=nommconf line on kernel boot line". Sorry this doesn't mean anything to me.

Disabling or enabling the graphics card in bios was not available.

And if I get a successful shut down the machine is already off so pressing the Esc key will have no effect surely. Huh?

Thanks again for your work Lisa.
22  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 26, 2011, 11:39:03 AM
No , have a look at http://www.pardus.org.tr/en/pardus/indir/
There is a "2011 Live" section there Grin


Well, I downloaded the live version from that page and burnt it to a usb stick. It worked fine but the shut down trouble remained, sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't. It's the most intractable problem I've ever come across and I appreciate all of you guys (and especially Lisa) sticking with it so far. I do my own searching but it's good to have help from you more knowledgeable geeks as well. Grin
23  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 26, 2011, 01:29:06 AM
I would also experiment with services.  First, I would disable acpid and shutdown computer.  It will come back on upon restart:
Code:
sudo service acpid stop
Another test would be to enable service hal:
Code:
sudo service hal start
and try shutdown.  
It won't start again upon restart, but will if you do want to try it upon restart and shutdown then:
Code:
sudo service hal on

Tried these Lisa but still no joy.
24  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 26, 2011, 01:26:22 AM
I think the live versions were 2009 and ......
No , have a look at http://www.pardus.org.tr/en/pardus/indir/
There is a "2011 Live" section there Grin

Don't put youself down owicknowi.
owiknowi is 100% right there

I've been confused between live and direct boot versions and have been downloading the wrong ones. I read up a bit more carefully and now I know. Roll Eyes I'll have another go later.
25  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 25, 2011, 13:22:26 PM
I guess this is with Pardus after you have use the USB-install version to install it.
And how is the USB-Live version doing with respect to shutdown Huh?

I haven't tried that yet - I think the live versions were 2009 and I don't want to go to an earlier version. I'll check again.
26  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 25, 2011, 13:17:21 PM
actually i meant the most recent pardus 2011.2 which also comes as a live iso (you can use them on either a dvd or an usb)
Quote from: Maurice
But that version is 1.1gb
1.1gb should fit nicely on a dvd or an, e.g. 2gb, usb drive, afaik?  Huh?
sorry, i'm probably just causing confusion here, better stick too the people who were actual helping!

Don't put youself down owicknowi. You've been a great help over the course of the thread.
27  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 25, 2011, 12:20:39 PM
.... would an iso burnt to dvd be any different from one burnt to usb stick?
No, it's the same.
The only requirement is that the computer can boot from an USB device.
And not every computer can do that.

Every >Pardus 2009.1/2009.2 and 2011 iso file< Live and Install can be used to make a bootable  USB device. Grin

That is what I have - Pardus 2011 burnt on a usb device - and that is the version that is giving me this shutdown trouble.
28  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 25, 2011, 12:16:16 PM
No, I don't have any dvds over 700mb and I don't want to go back to the 2009 version - must get some new ones but would an iso burnt to dvd be any different from one burnt to usb stick?
actually i meant the most recent pardus 2011.2 which also comes as a live iso (you can use them on either a dvd or an usb)

But that version is 1.1gb
29  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 25, 2011, 09:49:25 AM
just another thought: did you try the live dvds (32 & 64 bit) to see what happens? do they boot properly ?
is all -or most- hardware detected? and last but not least: can you reboot or shut down from such a live session?

No, I don't have any dvds over 700mb and I don't want to go back to the 2009 version - must get some new ones but would an iso burnt to dvd be any different from one burnt to usb stick?
30  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 24, 2011, 23:21:02 PM
Sorry no turkey Lisa but happy Thanksgiving.

I had already disabled 8 services
 
network status
nepomuk
drive ejector
write daemon
remote url change notifier
network manager user setting server
status notifier
cups

with no effect.

I'll go through the rest too.
I also looked at Intel and bios updates but it seems I have the latest one installed anyway.
 
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