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31  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 24, 2011, 09:56:45 AM
Thanks for all those ideas Lisa. I'll work my way through them asap.

Turn your computer off, unplug it and unplug all unnecessary devices leaving you only the mouse and keyboard.    Start up Pardus and shutdown.  If and that is a big IF, it does shutdown properly, try it again, plugging in one device at a time and repeat until you pinpoint problem.   I know the other two os's work fine with your devices, but maybe kernel 37 doesn't  or kde 4.6,5

Didn't work perhaps because the only device I have connected  is a speaker. Smiley

Also check in your home folder, unhide it and look to see if there is anything out of ordinary in .xsession-errors file.  

Now this shows promise but, as I can't decipher it, maybe not.

Her are the first lines

X session started for maurice at Thu Nov 24 18:58:32 CST 2011
startkde: Starting up...
Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
kbuildsycoca4 running...
X Error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) 2
  Major opcode: 102 (X_ChangeKeyboardControl)
  Resource id:  0x68
Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
No outputs have backlight property
QDBusConnection: name 'org.kde.kglobalaccel' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.5'
QDBusConnection: name 'org.freedesktop.UPower' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.45'
OpenGL vendor string:                   NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string:                 GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string:                  3.3.0 NVIDIA 280.13
OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler
Driver:                                 NVIDIA
Driver version:                         280.13
GPU class:                              G80/G90
OpenGL version:                         3.3
GLSL version:                           3.30
X server version:                       1.9.5
Linux kernel version:                   2.6.37
Direct rendering:                       yes
Requires strict binding:                no
GLSL shaders:                           yes
Texture NPOT support:                   yes



And

Soprano: "No Soprano backend found that can handle memory models."
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub(1052)" Soprano: "No Soprano backend found that can handle memory models."
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub(1052)" Soprano: "No Soprano backend found that can handle memory models."
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub(1052)" Soprano: "No Soprano backend found that can handle memory models."
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub(1052)" Soprano: "No Soprano backend found that can handle memory models."
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub(1052)" Soprano: "No Soprano backend found that can handle memory models."



And towards the end are lots of what appear to be faults.  Here are a few of them

X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
  Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
  Resource id:  0x1a09f2a
X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
  Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
  Resource id:  0x1a09f2a
X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
  Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
  Resource id:  0x1a09f2a
X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
  Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
  Resource id:  0x1a0b0ba
X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
  Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
  Resource id:  0x1a0b0ba

I am sure you will be able to make more of it than I can. Grin




32  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 23, 2011, 07:07:05 AM


+1 recurring.....

huh?
-------------------------------------------

I don't think I have. Not on this machine anyway.

It might be a good move , if only to bring it up to standards. (Pardus IS a very modern Linux ) , but ,still lets see what Lisa has to say......

The +1...... was in reply to your suggestion - but ,still lets see what Lisa has to say......[/b]  Grin

As for flashing bios, I understand that this should only be done if absolutely necessary. And because I have no problem with Pclos which is as new as Pardus then perhaps my bios doesn't need updating?
33  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 23, 2011, 02:04:05 AM
I was about to say , lets see where Lisa takes us.......
Have you ever updated the bios ?


+1 recurring.....

I don't think I have. Not on this machine anyway.
34  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 23, 2011, 01:51:44 AM
It is a step closer with being able to shutdown a couple of times after doing the updates in Pardus. 

If it sounds like I am trying to hard, then it is because I do a lot of my thinking and typing aloud.  Your shutdown problem has me curious, is all and curious enough to want to know why, plus its raining like cats and dogs out so I can't do outside chores.  Cheesy

We still don't know your motherboard, but on a wild guess, I'm going to say it is one of these:
http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/SOUND-CARD/REALTEK/Intel-Desktop-Board-DG33BU-DG33FB-DG33TL-DP35DP-Bios-0572.shtml

Helpful to know if shutdown problem occurs after a resume or not.  I would also try disabling networkmanager before shutdown to see if this is where problem lies:
Code:
sudo service NetworkManager stop
try shutting down or restarting computer. 
The above will stop Network Manager service, but it will resume upon reboot. 


So, I must hope the rain keeps up until this problem is solved. Grin Grin

I finally opened up the box (it's easy enough to open but frustratingly difficult to close again) and it is among your guesses - DG33FB.

Shutting down Network Manager has no effect, and nor does shutting down after a resume.

It's a frustrating problem and if it were on any other distro I would have given up on it long ago but I like Pardus. I've been using it in preference to Pclos since I installed it some 4-5 weeks ago. It is fast and responsive, has a polished look to it and seems rock stable. Certainly by far the best distro I have used.

So, to all posters who are helping me, I appreciate your efforts very much.

Maurice
35  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 23, 2011, 01:21:13 AM

Hi Maurice
Could/can you tell us your Bios info ( manufacturer , the date issued , revision number ) ?
Just chasing thoughts here....
Anglo
 

The only relevant info I can see is - Version DPP3410J - nothing else. But I don't think this would help as  Windows XP and Pclos both shut down properly.
36  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 22, 2011, 05:19:10 AM
This has nothing to do with 32/64-bit version.
You did take the 2011 Live version.
Try it again with >2011 Install from here< and I expect it will give a much better result Cheesy


Thanks atolboo. Can't think how I did that. Roll Eyes However I downloaded, burnt and installed the correct version. And all to no avail - I'm still getting the same shutdown problem. The 64bit is not appreciably better than the 32bit. And not exactly up to the minute with an ancient Firefox 5.0. Huh?


37  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 21, 2011, 06:37:04 AM
Well, it appears that my motherboard is not happy with 64bits. I burned the download to a ush, switched off and fired it up from the stick. The installation opening screen came up but the next screen, instead of taking me into the installing routine, took me straight into Kaptan and was happily working from the usb, which was not quite what I had in mind. Huh?

So, it looks as if I'm back to 32bits and the problem remains.
38  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 21, 2011, 05:54:18 AM

Betcha bippy if you examine the usb sticks with gparted you'll find that the 1.1 gig is a DOS  partion......linux doesn't much care what type  partiton  you use on the stick only the size matters......

Thanks for that Anglo. It had me stuck for a while.
39  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 21, 2011, 02:56:46 AM
This is going to take a bit longer that I thought. Huh?

I've downloaded the 64 bit version but, for some very odd reason, all my usb sticks, which vary from 1 to 16gb, are showing up on the screen as 1.1gb and all of them showing empty. I've never encountered anything like this before.

40  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 21, 2011, 01:36:33 AM
Hi Maurice,
Found a similar bug here
I found your thread at pclinuxos and found it informative and found the link posted there about a similar bug for RedHat in kernel .40. 
Sorry to say there is no kernel .33 available in the repos for Pardus 2011.  I was trying to see what had changed in kernel 2.6.37 at 'kernelnewbies' website and how it compared to kernel .33, but that is beyond me. 
What file system did you use to install Pardus?  What are you using in PCLinuxOS?  You might try Ext4 if you are not using it.  I'm out of ideas. 
As a side note, with Pardus 2011 installation disc, boot it up and you will find handy utilites: Memtest86 (I let memtest run for about an hour, it ran several tests in that time period and you can quit (esc) when you want, and Hardware Info that will show what motherboard you are using.  When you posted "Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 5044", I have no idea what that means but it doesn't sound like a motherboard name.
And yes, as zvacet said.   Cheesy  no other kernel than 37.
I would suggest a bug report to pardus including a link to this thread as well as to the one at pclinuxos.



Don't know how to put in double quotes but thanks for your post too zvacet.

And, my word Lisa, you're going to a lot of trouble. I use ext4 file system on both Pardus and Pclos. Actually I've decided to give the 64bit version a try and am downloading it right now. I'll transfer it to a usb and install it on another partition and keep my present installation - just in case. Roll Eyes

Hopefully my next post will be a whoop of joy.
41  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 20, 2011, 10:11:51 AM
Going back over my files on Pclos forum on this subject I find that it was not perhaps the pae kernel that did the trick. I was using 2.6.38.7 and I was advised to try 2.6.33.7pae. It seems that reverting from .38 to .33 was perhaps what solved the problem.

I apologise for not checking this before now.

Looking for a kernel on the repos I have used the search term 'kernel' but found nothing. What is the right term please?

42  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 20, 2011, 04:52:24 AM

Lets see if the updates help with your problem....

Almost.  Roll Eyes

I tried it 4 times - on 3 occasions it closed down properly but the fourth time it failed.
43  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 20, 2011, 02:02:25 AM
"Yes but I have only one repo and maybe I should add the German one. "


Try these if you like : http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3478.msg18496#msg18496

Anglo

Thanks Anglo. I downloaded it and it added quite a lot of new stuff.
44  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 20, 2011, 01:09:06 AM
Hi Maurice,
 Grin
I checked the specs at the newegg online e-tailer for the specs of your CPU "64 bit support - yes" for Kentsfield core, that is why I suggested trying the 64 bit version of Pardus.  Now that is using my guruness.  Wink   
Lisa Marie

Indeed it is Lisa. Smiley and thank you for it.

But the result of my uname -a

Linux pardus2011.2 2.6.37.6 #1 SMP Wed Mar 30 16:31:56 EEST 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

seems to indicate 32bit only.

I would like to get the 64bit version but am a bit wary still. Huh?

45  Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff on: November 19, 2011, 23:59:50 PM
Hiya Maurice
 This will sound silly, but have you updated  your Pardus at all yet ?


( BTW, if the reset button needs a new home , give me a call   )   Grin


Yes but I have only one repo and maybe I should add the German one.

That reset button is very handy. I remember my first machines way back in the 60s -- C64, Amiga et al --  all had them, then they disappeared for a long time. My wife's latest Dell lacks one too.
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