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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff
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on: November 19, 2011, 02:53:53 AM
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Thanks for the long reply Lisa but you're clouding my vision with geekish verbiage. In fact you're acting like the guru that you claim not to be in a different thread.  My setup doesn't allow 64bit and I don't want to go back to KDE 3.5.10 in Corporate2 so I'll have to wait for the pae kernel for the 32bit version. For now I use the gui to Leave and Turn off now and hope it does turn off - which it does now and again. Another way is to use the old fashioned reset key which few machines seem to have these days. When I do this the computer switches off and 4 seconds later it turns itself back on. During that 4 seconds I switch off at the wall. So that is not like a hard switch as it is already off. Hope you get what I'm trying say. I seem to recall though from way back that the reset key should not be used. Rather odd as why is it there if not to be used? Maurice |
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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Deleting stuff in Pisi
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on: November 18, 2011, 09:55:29 AM
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Hi Maurice, I've heard that, too, and true for Windows, but I've heard not true for Linux environment and have come across forums telling someone not to remove something in Linux. These were folks coming from Windows and I was one of them and felt that I should remove stuff I didn't use. If you want to see what uses your CPU, in termnial enter "top" minus quotation marks. To quit top, enter "Cntrl + c" then exit. I do notice Firefox uses much CPU when it starts up, but I don't notice my system being slow from it. I mainly use Midori browser now, though. I would think a text editor doesn't use much. I do disable certain services I don't use so they aren't running in the background. I consider an amd k7 or intell pentium III processor old, certainly not yours. I don't consider my AMD athlon 64 fx 57 processor old, as it came out in 2006, but the fact that it is getting more difficult to find socket 939 motherboards for it. Gamers might think it old.  Lisa Marie I still like to run a tight ship and it seems pointless to keep stuff you never use - whatever the pundits might say. |
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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff
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on: November 17, 2011, 04:58:31 AM
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Hi Maurice,
I was reading , what is kernel pae at wiki, and it does have to do with memory, as your other two helpers have mentioned. You have 4GB of RAM and usually one uses PAE kernel to access more than 4GB of RAM. So, yes, doing a memory test is a good idea as was suggested. I'm not using PAE kernel and I have same amount of RAM as you.
I am curious, what kernel are you using in PClinuxOS? When you log into that distro, you can do "uname -r" or for a more detail, "uname -a".
I only came across someone with similar problem and were asked if they were using a RAID setup. Another suggested to update the BIOS. And another suggested to use the 64 bit version of OS instead of 32 bit version.
You could also try nouveau free graphics driver instead of nVidia proprietary driver to see if that makes a difference. I'm using nouvea for my GForce 8500 card and have no complaints, and doing so gets rid of those black specks in upper left hand corner of monitor. I'd also be curious if any of the terminal commands allow you to shutdown the computer. That is strange that even terminal command to shutdown does not work. Did you install Pardus with user that has adminstrative rights (wheel groups) or no?
Lisa Marie
[maurice@localhost ~]$ uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.33.7-pclos6.pae #1 SMP Fri Oct 22 00:00:59 CDT 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/LinuxAs you observe the pae kernel is for accessing >4gb so I don't really need it. However I had this same shutdown problem with Pclos and this kernel was suggested for some reason. So I installed it and, odd as it may seem, it fixed the problem. So who am I to reason why? On to my graphics driver...... Her is my menu.lst timeout 4
color black/cyan yellow/cyan
gfxmenu (hd0,1)/boot/gfxmenu
default 0
title Pardus 2011.2 Cervus elaphus (on /dev/sda3)
root (hd0,2)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.37.6 root=UUID=5a825bf0-8d11-4797-91af-f4a32cf16ea4 splash quiet blacklist=nouveau
initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.37.6
savedefault
boot
title Pclos Minime
kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=Pclos_Minime root=LABEL=Minime quiet nokmsboot vmalloc=256M acpi=on splash=silent vga=788
initrd (hd0,1)/boot/initrd.img
title Windows XP
root (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1
You will note that nouveau is blacklisted for some reason. None of the terminal commands shut down but halt and reboot, as suggested by Anglo, work fine. I can't recall what admin rights I installed with but I normally go for whatever is offering and I do have admin rights - but not sure about groups. Hope you can make something of all this and thanks again for sticking with it. Maurice |
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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff
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on: November 17, 2011, 02:15:41 AM
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Hi Maurice, I thought of what I wrote, about helping you to death, that maybe I didn't word that joke remark correctly - that in other areas of the world it could be taken literally. Let's, see, I meant, help you whether you want the help or no, or help you until you are so very tired of us trying to help you. We just want to see "resolved'.  Lisa Marie Got it :Lisa. But worry not - my wife used to say I had a weird, even warped, sense of humour. I'm still going over the rest of you post and will reply when I have a few answers. I do appreciate the work you are putting in on this. I am presently alternating between Pclos and Pardus but would like to settle on Pardus as soon as I get this shutdown problem solved. Maurice |
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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff
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on: November 17, 2011, 01:21:25 AM
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ls /boot doesn't show memtest and I've looked for it in the terminal but it doesn't show. Not sure how to enable it in the centre -- is this System Settings?
That means it's not installed (maybe the defaults have changed). You first need to install the package "memtest86", either: sudo pisi it memtest86 or from the package manager. Then as I recall when you choose "add" in the boot manager screen of the system settings it should be available. Thanks - I did that James. Should it then have appeared in the boot menu? It didn't do so. I tried i in Konsole but got "command not found" And what does it do anyway? |
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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff
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on: November 16, 2011, 07:43:53 AM
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As I recall [and I've not played with boot options recently] Pardus installs Memtest86+ by default but doesn't put it into the boot menu ("ls /boot" will show if it is installed). You can enable it in the control centre, and then choose memtest as the boot option.
Please excuse the late reply, I've been away for a while. ls /boot doesn't show memtest and I've looked for it in the terminal but it doesn't show. Not sure how to enable it in the centre -- is this System Settings? |
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General / General topics / Pardus fellow craft - what's in a name?
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on: November 11, 2011, 01:30:40 AM
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Wow -- I've just been promoted. But what does "fellow craft" mean? Fellow sounds good with its connotations of erudition and being Fellow of some august institution. But craft? Should that not be craftsman as in the ancient English Guilds? And shouldn;t the whole name have upper case initials? Say - "Pardus Fellow Craftsman"? |
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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff
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on: November 11, 2011, 01:03:52 AM
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As I recall [and I've not played with boot options recently] Pardus installs Memtest86+ by default but doesn't put it into the boot menu ("ls /boot" will show if it is installed). You can enable it in the control centre, and then choose memtest as the boot option.
BTW: My media station (a Zareason Media Station -- so made for Linux) did a similar thing last night where X-failed to exit properly on shutdown (just a black screen and no keyboard response). That machine is running Pardus 64 bit and until last night it's always behaved fine, if it repeats the misconduct I will need to investigate further.
maurice@pardus2011 ~ $ ls /boot
boot grub initramfs-2.6.37.6 kernel-2.6.37.6I'm busy doing my morning routine (local news, world news, life hacker, TV etc ) right now but will pop into Windows later and do the 'memtest' Sorry to hear you've now got the problem - from my searches it is a common one and, seemingly, with lots of causes. |
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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff
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on: November 11, 2011, 00:52:11 AM
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You can find it by enter in terminal in Linux: lspci -v It will show your pci bridge and ide interfaces which should show the subsystem - motherboard. I have a feeling it isn't ram related as that 4GB is what I have, and because PCosLinux is working fine. We're going to help you to death, Maurice.
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)
Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 5044
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0 Is this the relevant bit? I also tried all the combinations of Shutdown, even wrote a short script, but none of them worked. I should have mentioned before that very occasionally it does shut down normally but doesn't seem to follow a pattern at all. Till death do us part Lisa? That's very nice of you. |
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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Pardus not closing down properly and needing a hard switchoff
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on: November 10, 2011, 09:58:39 AM
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Hi Maurice,
Got looking around for info on the chip/motherboard combo that you seem to have.I, Since you can multi boot, would you go to xp and run memtest+ ? This problem may be ram related
Well, well, this is slightly embarrassing - I use XP so very rarely (Flight Simulator only) that I've forgotten where its terminal is. I tried it in the Run box but what appeared to be an empty terminal box flashed up briefly and disappeared, |
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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Deleting stuff in Pisi
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on: November 09, 2011, 13:25:27 PM
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And I don't think that the computer will get any faster by removing packages.
It will only make some more free disk space.
Ah well, in that case, perhaps I shouldn't remove them but I was under the impression that a machine not overburdened with unnecessary programs ran faster. |
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Assistance / Pardus for beginners / Re: Deleting stuff in Pisi
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on: November 09, 2011, 13:07:06 PM
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KDE desktop needs a relative powerfull and new machine to works smothly, like Gnome to. But there is some "lightweight" alternatives out there that can work: http://www.xubuntu.org/Thanks John A but my machine is powerful enough to run most linux distros. And I wanted to remove them from my hard drive, not from Pisi, which of course I couldn't do anyway. And the fact that a machine has XP installed does not mean the machine is old - XP certainly is old but it is an operating system, not the computer. Also I have chosen Pardus and I have no interest in other distros you might mention |
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