YAY! 

(I saw the announcement today, too. The Pardus website is all Turkish but looks nice )

Using Opera 11.64 on VL-7, PMs are broken again, no matter whether "safe copy" is set or not, JS is on or not, Ghostery is enabled or disabled - it says the server closed the connection as soon as I hit Send.

Anyway, here is the missing link:
http://www.webpromo-inc.com/linuxsite/distro3.asp

Have fun!

I know... When I noticed that Opera 12.0 (with several tabs open and being set to "Work Offline" before closing it) asks me for EVERY tab whether I want to go online, I decided that I will never update it anymore. Maybe I will switch to firefox later on.

And I have the same behavior as Anglo. Or I had - NOW it works, regardless of the setting of "save a copy to my outbox" - a feature that I also see properly working for the first time.

Many thanks for fixing it to whoever did it!

UPDATE: I had JavaScript turned off. When I turned it on, I got the same problem as before - but it's not reliable anymore, a few trials later it workes with JS on and a copy in my outbox. So it's not yet perfect but much better already.
All this with Opera 11.64.

I have the same problem with Opera 11.64.

If I may remind you of something that happened not long ago:

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3478.msg25067#msg25067

and then, 6 hours later:

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3478.msg25071#msg25071

Feel free to read the rest of that thread.

Until now it is not fully clear to me what exactly happened and why, but it is a matter of fact that the official Pardus server(s) were only reachable when using Turkish nameservers for a few days. I would probably not call this "censorship" but it made clear that the Turkish infrastructure is set up in a way so that foreigners can get cut off from it quite easily - either by accident or on purpose. That's something at least I was not aware of before and I find it alarming.

I have never tried to access the internet from within Turkey, so I don't have personal experiences on this. Also, I have no personal experiences about the state of censorship in Turkey, but since you are here now, I would take your word about the actual state, Dirse, and value it higher than the Wikipedia page.

But.

Some time ago there were reports about PWF not being reachable from some point within Turkey. And I have no reason to doubt these reports, too. Plus, it fits into the picture of the vanishing server(s).

So, Dirse, can you explain to us why Turkish people would make up such a claim out of thin air?

"Not Invented Here"

http://notinventedhe.re

(I'd suggest to start at the beginning: http://notinventedhe.re/on/2009-9-21 )

 

I just discovered that I cannot send a PM to you here, neither with Opera nor with Firefox.

And just in case you did not get my last one, and for everybody else who is interested in web comics about computing:

see here

Have fun!

Valgrind - that reminds me.

Valgrind is a set of debugging/profiling tools. A program that is meant for all-day use should really not have a dependency to valgrind. Such a dependency should only exist while debugging. I tell you, there is something out of order!


And...
Thanks, but so far we got the most useful info from Lisa

As far as I can tell now, www.pardus.org and the official repositories are reachable again, even with my normal name server in place.

http://www.pardus-wiki.org/ is reachable too. BUT! It does not deliver any page to me, just a weird progress bar.

Meanwhile I thought: Would it be possible that someone forgot to renew the addresses that were about to expire yesterday?
But the fact that the Wiki does not answer even though it is reachable looks like a purposeful difficulty to me.
I WANT to believe that all this is/was not some kind of mean trickery against foreigners... But... I don't know.

And I still cannot provide a reasonable explanation about how the DNS issue could happen.

Yesterday (before chatting) I asked in #pardus about it and they obviously had no problem and did not know what I was talking about. At that time I did not know how to interpret that info - I began to suspect a DNS problem but had no idea yet about details and was far from a solution.

And meanwhile I know from a whois-service that the address range  '193.140.100.0 - 193.140.100.255' belongs to TUBITAK, in Ankara. This means that Lisa's name servers are located in TR.

So using a nameserver from TR enables you to access the Pardus addresses. The rest of the world seems to have lost the connection. This makes a little more sense to me, but it looks like TR wants to make it difficult for foreigners. And it does not fit to the promise that support for a forum could be provided - even if a forum would set up on a Turkish server, I now understand that we could not trust the forum to stay reachable from anywhere in the world.  

And I still have no idea how this could happen. But then again, my knowledge about DNS is limited.  I'll investigate further...

Lisa, you nailed it.  

With your name server entries, I get contact, too  



Edit: But WHY so suddenly.... Anyway, I need some sleep.

 

... Lisa?
Sorry, atolboo's question that was meant for Lisa anyway.

Just tried...

http://paketler.pardus-linux.org/pardus/2012/testing is reachable. That should be the Anka repository.

But http://packages.pardus.org.tr/pardus/2011.2/stable/x86_64 and the whole *.pardus.org.tr seems to have vanished from the world.

Strange.

+1


Edit, a few minutes later: The original Pardus was an all Turkish distribution... When did some internationalization even creep in?

Anyway, at this point, and taking into account that the PWF community was of rather little help and more of a PITA, and taking into account that there is a rather active Turkish community, I fully understand that the Anka team has more important things to do than to inform us.

But that may change when ANKA is out of the door AND we (or rather not only a few of us) can prove to be helpful. That's what I think & hope.

Perhaps/hopefully the spirit still exist...
...just not here anymore.

The lack of messages could very well mean that everybody is working hard for the 30th August and that they are too busy to spend time on dropping info in a place where the Pardus spirit is no longer present. This is bad for us=PWF, but it may be a good sign altogether, in several respects.

I will surely wait until the 30th of August (plus a few days) before even considering to drop Pardus. The Anka team is just on the brink of a big step. I have hope and trust. Once ANKA is out in the wild and well established, translations could be added.

YAY! I fiercely subscribe to that!!

Hope to see/read you once in a while, in one place or another!