*nod*

You mean, we have no chance but we will use it? Fine by me!

I just quickly read over it.

Hmmm, maybe to some extend, yes.
Also: Maybe.
We could ask them for help, but they might be busy with their own distribution.

Hm. Just an idea... could we ask the Open Software Foundation for help?

Sorry guys, this might get long

Oh. Here I had a bit of hope, because you seemed to have some experience or at least talent in organizing things, at least on the technical side.

Hm... Pardus is still free (as in lemonade AND speech), isn't it? And the sources are available, right? So if I would produce a tablet PC and had the choice:
- either to just download an OS for free where I had nearly full control over what software I deliver when selling the device, could configure the kernel to my needs and all I had to do is to develop drivers for my special hardware,
- or to buy the OS (or rather the licenses) from Microsoft where I had very little control over what it does and still need to develop drivers for my special hardware,
then I think I knew what I would prefer. If my business is a piece of hardware that needs some kind of OS to be useful, then a "free in double meaning" OS is the best, even if I need to open-source some parts of my developments. So yes, I can imagine cases where Pardus Linux > MS Windows or the like.

And about controlling it - this only gets some meaning when I want other Pardus users with different hardware to use a piece of hardware that I sell, for example a certain USB device.

Plus, there is very little trouble with viruses and other malware.

It's different when my business is a piece of software because then I don't want to open-source it. Then paying for an OS might be better.

Well, if that is a hard fact, then it's already over. I was hoping that we can take one of the now-existing editions, preferably the newest one, and add little improvements here and there, keeping the whole system more or less up-to-date, until we reach the point where a new edition is needed. But in the meantime some of the developers may come beck to help, or new developers may jump in.

Indeed - I agree. They shall not. But do we need all of them? Maybe we can continue with a few developers at first...


Ok, that ist right - strictly considered. But...
- my impression from reading a good part of the post on the German forum was that the majority of the members don't want to help on this or feel unable to to so, and rather wait to see what will happen. But those who are waiting are practically not existing in relation to our actual problem. And...
- was there anybody except you who offered/announced to help or just did it?

Besides I had the false impression that Richard might have some clue in legal terms. Now I think that Dirse is the only one... 

Maybe I'm too gullible (again?) but that does not sound like the total death of the project to me. It sounds like great plans, the only(?) problem may be: Who will do it? Because even if most of the work is dedicated to other parties, there is still need for core developers who put it all together. And as far as I understand, they have just as much developers as we have here... But they have an advantage: Money.

Hello Dirse,

In principle, Linux does not have the same problems as Windows. But it has other problems... As we see just now

Our only chance.

Maybe we need both. By the way: Many thanks for what you already did for organizing things!

That is a pity. I would propose an association in Netherlands, because Richard is there and I got the impression from the German forum that they are not in the mood to help in any way. (Well, I'm German, but I have absolutely no knowledge about legal stuff, and I'm still at the very beginning with Pardus, too.) Right now I think that YOU are the most capable person when it comes to legal things.

Well, most likely anybody who knows how to build a Linux distribution is involved in another distribution. Or retired.

I see only one possibility: Pay them. And that is most likely not an option.

Right now I get the impression that the things that make Pardus special may become its biggest disadvantage, because a lot of work is required to keep them up-to-date.


Maybe I was a bit exuberant when I discovered that the seemingly discontinued Pardus was (tried to be) taken over by a community. I thought that maybe I could help a bit. I use Linux since 1992, but my main language is C - and then Java, bash/ksh, awk, a bit of Perl. No Python. So I cannot help with the Pardus-special tools.

I understand that the original programmers are gone and don't want to come back. So, how many Python programmers are now within this community - enough to keep the Pardus-special tools alive and up-to-date* if they don't need to do anything else?


*: This includes the move from Python2 to Python3 that is needed just now, according to this post on forum.pardususer.de. I have no idea how much work it would be.

"Red Star OS" is the name of the North Korean state linux distribution. I believe that many people would not like to have something to do with that. Even if it's translated to Turkish.

If a reference to the Turkish origin is wanted (and nobody comes up with a better one), how about "Bright Moon Linux"? At least you can google for it without finding a result

And if someone makes it up after today, we can claim PRIOR ART!