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1  General / Wish list / Re: slider bar colour on: March 04, 2008, 11:34:36 AM
OK, that's a slider indeed. I was confused because you said it was on the left side of the screen.

I don't know what the cause or solution is. Your webbrowser is Opera and it governs its own style but should take some hints from the windowmanager (I don't have Opera but Iceweasel/ Firefox does take hints).

In the KDE control center (Tasma?) you can change a number of things to see if it has effect. Under 'Appearance and Themes', 'Colors' you can select a different scheme all together or select the slider bar in the top view of the screen. Every time you select something in that example screen on the top, the item in 'widget color' changes to its defined color. At the bottom there's a tick box which says "Apply colors to non-KDE applications".

Then there's 'Appearance and Themes', 'Style' which lets you set the shape and look of widgets. Selecting different styles allow different configurations. The QtCurve style for example has an option to change the look of the sliders.

Perhaps you need to restart the application to see a change.

I hope playing around with the color options can solve this problem. Perhaps as a workaround: if you have a scroll wheel on your mouse then placing the cursor on the bar lets you scroll with the wheel regardless of where the slider is.
2  General / Wish list / Re: slider bar colour on: March 01, 2008, 12:02:08 PM
KDE and by extension Konqueror (I assume that's your webbrowser, Firefox or Opera are different) is highly configurable. You can configure what to have, where and how it'll look but it makes it difficult to compare; I don't have a slider on the left. In my screen, pretty much default across various distro's, there's usually a panel called 'Navigation Panel'. It holds items like bookmarks, history, system, services, etc. It can "slide" in and out of view horizontally, i.e. you can drag it into view. I don't know what exactly you're talking about, not in the least since the look of it is determined by which theme you're using for KDE, I assume it's that panel, correct me if I'm wrong.

Attached is a picture of what the left side of Konqueror looks like on my system. The small areas with dots (near the top and bottom) are handles with which I control the placing of the panel.

It's another 'panel' so you can add items to it, you can place it somewhere else, remove it all together. If you have something completely different then now you know you can play around with it. There's one thing you need to be aware of: Konqueror has "views" or "profiles". See the Settings menu. It means you can set up Konqueror to behave in a certain way and lock it in a view profile so that Konqueror acts different when used as web browser or file browser. Which could also mean your 'slider' may look different depending on the view profile it's currently using.
3  Assistance / Configuring Pardus / Re: can i shut this off? on: February 24, 2008, 02:29:23 AM
On the command line, you can run a program called 'top'. It shows what's happening with your memory and you should be able to see what's eating your memory (press q to exit). A program called 'free' shows you how much memory is available and if the swap partition is being used.

Immediately after starting your computer into a desktop session, there shouldn't be many programs running and it should show some space. The columns %CPU and %MEM are most interesting,

(Starting a command line: press alt + F2 to open a dialog, type 'konsole' to start the console, in konsole you can type 'exit' to close it again.)
4  General / General topics / Re: Taskbar problem on: February 19, 2008, 10:05:12 AM
Wow, I didn't know where to look for the edit screen... found it :p

I can't say much about your kickerrc file. Try right-click on the taskbar, 'Configure Panel', 'Taskbar'.
That's where you'd normally enable/ disable that, afaik.

I noticed you have some dockbars installed, maybe disabling those will bring the window info back.
5  General / The Pub / Re: Pardus is awesome on: January 19, 2008, 12:40:26 PM
A small succes story:

My parents are pretty computer il-literate. My dad uses his computer quite often and has some understanding of what he's doing and manages to do a few different kinds of tasks. My mum has no clue at all and doesn't want to know either. She's learned how to use an auction site and she knows how to use email but they're 'tricks', performed without understanding what she's doing.

On my dad's PC with Windows XP, he's had a couple of weird problems lately when booting: his BIOS accused him of making mistakes when overclocking. My dad doesn't know what overclocking is, or a BIOS for that matter. None of these problems were bad enough to take more than a single key-stroke to fix until all on a sudden the computer refused to boot into Windows all together. Windows would load, BSOD and the machine would try to boot again.

It's uncertain what caused this. It may have something to do with my mum shutting down the computer via the start menu, making sure the computer was off by pressing the on button and then pressing the on button again, immediately.
My dad took his pc away for repairs. Then he rememberred I have a spare P4 laying around, which he could borrow of course.

I made a fresh install of Pardus for him. He's quite a different user than I am: he uses local mail, has a printer, uses office software. So, I'm new to most of the technology involved and it took a bit of fiddling to get it all working, but I got it all working. KMail replaces Outlook, his printer / scanner works and sofar most (not all) of his documents appeared nicely in OOo. I failed to get his VPN program working: there's a Linux client but we've no documentation of how to connect (other than 'install Citrix client for Windows by running custom script, accept license, call helpdesk when there's a problem'. Helpdesk borked on the mention of the name Linux.)

He gets his own PC back on wednesday, with Windows XP and MS Office re-installed. It's OK, he's seen the power of Free Software and once he's back on MS' turf I no longer have to function as helpdesk. Smiley

The story here is that I tried a Linux distribution on a sceptic and unwilling person and I've not been let down: it performed admirably and the test-victim hasn't been able to find a serious flaw with it, despite trying. He repeatedly called it "difficult" but every time I asked him to think about what he was doing or I made him do the same thing on his Windows laptop: nothing proved to be exceptionally difficult. That'll make him think the next time he takes a couple of hundred Euros to the shop for his OS or office suite.
6  Assistance / Configuring Pardus / Re: konqueror gives a crash message on: January 17, 2008, 14:06:35 PM
To the best of my knowledge is this a Flash problem. A previous Flash version (9.0.48) worked but had a serious vulnerability, the vulnerability is now fixed but afaik the only supported browser is Firefox (and derivates). It's possible to get Flash to work with Konqueror or Opera, even on a 64 bit system, but the situation is less than ideal and in my experience it doesn't work all the time.

You may find a none working Flashplayer preferable over a crashing browser. There are 3 options:
- remove Flash completely,
- install newest Flash,
- install Gnash (the open but less mature Flashplayer)

Using the old version is NOT an option, it worked well but the security concerns are too grave.

For Konqueror, you may need the latest KDE3 setup and additonal plugins. If you use Opera then version 9.5 beta or higher is required afaik.

some info + fix:

If you try the fix, please post your experiences and what you've done to get it to work.
7  General / General topics / Re: Which Kernel? on: December 26, 2007, 17:40:28 PM
I've built a new system, played with it etc. From an old CD-ROM I just installed Pardus 2007.2 again (*). Upgraded the system, the kernel is #2 SMP. Can anyone confirm that this is indeed the latest kernel or should I re-install using 2007.3? I've no comment on the kernel version, I'm just asking.

(*) I figured I could download an ISO and run upgrade or use an old ISO and upgrade: the latter is less download.

Edit: I apologize, my question is out of place in this thread but I'll explain. I've setup my system with sidux, a distro based on Debian sid, using kernel atm. I installed Pardus on another partition on an IDE disk. Changed GRUB to add Pardus to the boot menu: kernel panic when booting into Pardus.
The situation described in the link in the first post got me: I could boot into the Pardus kernel but from there on everything went wrong since I added Pardus to GRUB as residing on /dev/sdb7, which is the disk/ partition according to the 2.6.23 kernel. Except when the Pardus kernel boots, it's looking for /dev/hda0 since it's an IDE disk and the 2.6.18 kernel uses the old naming scheme...
8  General / General topics / Re: Python programming on: December 14, 2007, 10:46:31 AM
there's no Python plug-in comparable to Java
Don't you think it's a weak point of phyton over java? If phyton had phyton applets then I wouldn't need java any more! Most people use java because it can produse applets which can run in your browser. It's suitable especially for client-server applications. For example the company I work for prefer java of the native code for clients and c/c++ for server applications. Java clients connects server in any browser in any platform.
I'm not very knowledgeable on this particular subject so I might be wrong.

It's not really a weak point of Python but a unique feature of Java. A lot of people have a plug-in for Java installed in their browser but that's about Java, there's no plug-in for Python, C, Ruby, Cobol or any other language, that I know of. I think Java is mostly used to develop ordinary programs that are relatively easy portable to a different architecture as Java runs in a virtual machine which does the platform dependent work for you. But that's similar to Python or Ruby where you can take a program written on a Linux system and use it on a Windows or OSX system because you take your program code and run it with a platform specific interpreter.
You can't take the Java browser plug-in for granted either: lots of people have Java disabled for security reasons or not even installed at all, I'm not sure but I think there's no browser plug-in for 64 bit Linux available yet. Again: I don't know that much about this subject; it's just that I've never heard of a Python applet or a Ruby applet so I don't know if they exist but I've seen Java applets before.

Now, that's the simple world I understood. However, there's a Java based version of Python: JPython or Jython. It allows you to write Python and translate to Java so you can have a Python program function like a Java program and hence like an applet. It works and Python code is a lot more compact and readable than Java but it doesn't change the basic that browser applets are a unique feature of Java, just that you get Java disguised as Python.

As a general programming language Python is fine: you can write GUI apps and commandline scripts with it but in that respect it's similar to Perl, Ruby, C, C++, etc. and Java. I think Python is THE BEST PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD Wink (but really not that different from Ruby, C++ or Java). For applets there's only Java afaik alternatively you can use Flash or webpages with JavaScript (which has no relation to Java) but that's different.
I don't know how much experience you have so I'll answer both
I don't have experince in coding too much but I know a lot about C&Assembly. I don't often use them but sometimes I need C for math calculations.
With only a background in C and Assembly, you'll be shocked how easy it is to write complex programs in languages like Python (or Java). The hardest part is to get to know the libraries, with C you know most of them, and understanding object-oriented programming, although that's not strictly necessary in Python and if you know Java you're probably familiar with it allready.
I didn't know your entry level but nowadays Python is also used for people who are learning what a 'if ... else ...' construct or a 'for' loop is, people who are starting to learn programming.
9  General / General topics / Re: Python programming on: December 12, 2007, 00:35:20 AM

I want to learn python programming from scratch. What do you advise to me? From which book I should start to learn?
You're asking two things, I don't know how much experience you have so I'll answer both:
- Learning Python: for learning the Python language my personal favorite is 'Core Python Programming (second edition)' by Wesley J. Chun. This book covers a lot of Python in a good, readable way. It made it easy for me to step into Python from a programming background but it's geared to people new to programming; I found plenty of useful tips on programming in general. I still use the book to as a reference, to learn about areas I previously wasn't interested in, and a refresher on syntax or language intricacies. If you're more experienced with Python I can also recommend 'Pyhton in a nutshell' by Alex Martelli as a desktop reference guide, a very compact overview on the language and important libraries.
The previously mentioned docs.python site has everything too but these books make it a little easier to get into, in my personal experience.

- Learning programming: Python is great for experienced programmers and people new to programming. If you're experienced in programming, learning the language is something that can keep you occupied for a long time because Python has a lot of options one can master.
For learning to program there's practice, practice and a lot more practice. Smiley There are books on the subject but a fun way of learning to program is by programming games. Knowing a (little) bit of Python is recommended but then you can perhaps look into 'Game Programming, The express way to learning' by Andy Harris or 'Game development with Python and Pygame' by Will McGugan.
You won't change the world (anymore) by writing your own Pong, Space Invaders, Astroids or Pac-Man but it's fun and educational!

One more question. I also want to know if python can produce web based applications like java applets?
Yes, no.
Web based apps: yes, Python modules are often based on C/C++ libraries and there's a wealth of web related functionality available. Python can function similar to PHP (there's a Python module for Apache) and there are frameworks available in Python to help you to easily create your own website, like Django, Turbogears and others.
Java applets run in your browser, I think it's possible to create browser extensions in Python to extend the functionality of your browser (Konqueror can be extended with Python afaik) but there's no Python plug-in comparable to Java. For that you need to look at Java, Flash or Javascript, I think.
10  Assistance / News & Announcements / Rapid GUI programming with Python and Qt on: December 09, 2007, 14:06:02 PM
"Rapid GUI programming with Python and Qt" is a book by Mark Summerfield on GUI programming with Python 2.5 and (Py)Qt4 Nicely in time for KDE4. It's pretty new, published October 2007. Link to publisher's and writer's site:
All the major on-line sellers have it and you may be able to find it in a local bookstore too.

I haven't read it yet, so I can't give you a review, but it looks fairly decent as a standard introduction and intermediate reference guide to PyQt4. I've only browsed through the book and you shouldn't understand this as a recommendation but as information:

It comes as a much needed replacement to "GUI Programming with Python: QT Edition" by Boudewijn Rempt (maintainer of Krita), published 2001. Van Rempts book is still useful but getting old fast and the hardcopy edition seem to have entered the "collector's item" stage. The full reference can be found on-line and there's even a PDF/HTML version for download afaik. (publisher/ writer: )
Mark Summerfield's book is important as these are the only two books targetting the combination of Python and Qt.

And finally the point of this all:
from 'Rapid GUI programming with Python and Qt', Appendix A "Installing on Linux and Unix":
For ArchLinux, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Kubuntu, Pardus, Ubuntu, and many others, the necessary components are available as packages.

Isn't it nice to see in what company Pardus is? Especially since some heavyweights like (Open)SuSE, Slackware and Mandriva or popular distros like PCLinuxOS, Mepis and Sabayon didn't make the list...  Wink
11  General / General topics / Re: Which Web Browser? on: December 06, 2007, 12:47:03 PM
I am locking the voting because there is no end to this discussion and there are number of different views.
Your question was a valid one imho: "Which browser do you thing should be the official browser."

It's understandable why Opera is not the 'official' browser but that doesn't have to stop anyone from making it their personal official browser. Firefox can be a candidate but to some people even Firefox isn't free enough: see IceWeasel or similar initiatives. Different views indeed but it helps to know alternatives and to know other people's views.

In the KDE Control Center under KDE Components, Component Chooser you can set a default for your system.
12  General / General topics / Re: Which Web Browser? on: December 04, 2007, 10:41:49 AM
The discussion should be about which one of these browsers has more features, fastest speed and simplicity and also the smallest package size.
Ideally, a browser has all of the above but that's not realistic. More features means larger size or in the case of FF 3rd party extensions. Also consider what you ask from a browser: support for HTML, CSS, plug-ins, JavaScript, etc., not to mention all sorts of security features. I mean, there should be some sort of weighted classification since it kind of depends whether you value features over security or bug patch time, for example. It comes down to taste and priorities. What do you choose if a bloated app does a better job of rendering your favorite site than a mean and lean browser?

What's packagesize really? I knew this one guy who used FF without tabs and extenions, I think he was unique in that in the whole universe because everyone else I know has at least some extensions installed, up to a few dozen. Same with Konqueror; there's so much integration with other KDE aspects and plugins/ extensions that it's hard to say what's really Konqueror and what's added to the functionality with all sorts of KIO stuff. Or like IE6 on Windows XP (don't know about IE7 or Vista, suspect it's still the same); IE was really just a front for deeper embedded functionality that was also shared by automatic updates and the mail apps.

It makes it impossible to compare browsers since it's very much a matter of taste. Is Konqueror bloated as a webbrowser? Perhaps but do you have an app that let's you view a website and your local filesystem in a splitscreen? Wait, I'll split once more to upload a screenshot  Grin

(left: this reply being typed, right top: a random directory, right bottom: the site I uploaded the screenshot to)
jnmbk wrote "Firefox is different, it has more capabilities than any other browser." Maybe but Konqueror doesn't stop at being a browser, it's a mediaplayer and fileviewer too, for example. That makes them incomparable, more so with a browser with even less features.

Not too long ago I had a discussion with a friend who said he found Konqueror too hard to configure. Fair enough except he forgot to mention he knows his way around about:config blindly in FF, I fail to see how that's an easy way to configure things. Opera (7 or 8 I think, can't remember) was pretty easy to configure, I believe, because there wasn't much you could configure (I may be completely wrong here, it's been a while since I last looked at Opera). The Opera widgets were incredibly cute and all but compared to FF extensions they don't seem really usefull. I mean, Opera might be great as the basic app but if you have an essential extension which is in FF only, Opera just isn't good enough for you. With that guy I mentioned before, who used FF without extensions and tabs, we've convinced him that IE6 was perfectly suited for him and for all I know he's still using it happily.
13  General / The Pub / Pardus is awesome on: December 01, 2007, 15:03:33 PM
I've just assembled a new PC. The Pardus 2007.2 CD I had lying around got me a working OS pretty fast, of course updating/ installing new software took a bit longer. Nvidia kernel installation with the GUI package manager went OK, I had to edit xorg.conf for the right resolution (which I also had to do on my old box). Otherwise flawless and out-of-the box experience. Happy me.

This could have been the end of the story if it wasn't for my curiosity. I'm a bit worried I'm missing out on something fantastic so I'm trying other distros occasionally. My experiences sofar:
- Fedora (6 & 7): excellent, non-free stuff not included but pretty easy to install
- Slackware (10 or 11): OK but a bit tedious to go through the installation
- Kubuntu (6.? & 7.10): minor glitches and annoyances, overall pretty good
- OpenSuSE 10.3: long installation process, EULAs, error with X so result was command line only
- Arch (Don't Panic 2007.08.01): difficult, ended with command line and no clue how to proceed (my fault, it's intended for more experienced users, it never promised an easy GUI unlike OpenSuSE)
- Ark (2007.1): boot problem after installation
- CentOS (4): excellent, sound driver problem but probably due to weird soundcard (OEM Soundblaster)
- CentOS (5): hung on formatting
- Mandriva (One 2008): green screen, black screen, nothing more. CD-R problem, the DVD installation is supposed to be OK.

Dear Pardus developers: please continue what you're doing because you're doing things very good! IMHO Pardus is on equal footing with Fedora and beats every other distro I've tried.
*bows in respect and takes hat off*
14  General / General topics / Re: Which Web Browser? on: December 01, 2007, 14:20:55 PM
Other: Konqueror

I discovered Firefox a few years ago and it opened my eyes as to what browsing can be compared to IE6 at the time (Opera is OK too). I was very happy FF is also available on Linux and it made the move a lot easier. After some time I started to find out more and more of the capabilities of Konqueror. From using Konqueror as just the file browser to using Konqueror as the all-round workhorse of my daily computing work took a few months but it gives me the same feeling as I got when I compare FF to IE: this is what browsing is about. Firefox is great but it's just another program; Konqueror is the most powerfull tool I have on my system.
15  General / Tips and tricks / Re: Basic commands for PiSi on: November 24, 2007, 01:43:10 AM
"pisi sr"
Is it possible that you are using older version of Pardus which causes using older version of PiSi?

No, my fault, I didn't use the sr option because I didn't know about it  Shocked

pisi sr yak
3 packages found
[repo]           tilda - A drop down Terminal like Yakuake
tilda is not installed
[inst]         yakuake - Yet Another Kuake aka YaKuake (Quake like konsole)
[repo]         yakuake - Yet Another Kuake aka YaKuake (Quake like konsole)
[repo]   yakuake-split - Drop down terminal
yakuake-split is not installed

It seems 'yak' appears more often in Turkish words than in English  Smiley
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