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jan37
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« on: February 03, 2009, 21:40:58 PM »

At the beginning it advises that the first user listed should have the box checked for
"give administrator privileges to this user". It requires you to create a password (user?)
2 screens later it requires that a "root"password be created,in the "Administrator password" screen

BUT close to the end of the installation wiki at the
"Network card authentication" screen it says for juser to use his user password
"Enter at [1] your user password."
Surely the root password should be entered here?
or
to put it another way
What is the root password used for?
Sorry if there is something very obvious that I am failing to see
thanks
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 00:22:24 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong but for some operations you will need the root - password such as upgrading the system from within the console, changing the SAMBA - configuration in TASMA etc. Other operations requires only the user - password (with administrator privileges). I can't answer what determines which level of privilege is required though. To me it seems fairly random sometimes.
For example upgrading the system with the PISI - gui requires only admin rights while the command "lspci" requires root - privileges.
HOwever The network - services in the Desktop or in KAPTAN requires only admin - rights.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 16:21:05 PM »

At the beginning it advises that the first user listed should have the box checked for "give administrator privileges to this user".
Not only for the first user but for all users.

At the beginning it advises that the first user listed should have the box checked for "give administrator privileges to this user". It requires you to create a password (user?)
Regardless whether you mark the check-box or not, every user must have a password.

Surely the root password should be entered here?
You should enter the password for the name which is displayed after [User:].

What is the root password used for?
Sorry if there is something very obvious that I am failing to see
thanks
To make system-wide (display driver, samba, software repositories ....) changes you need administrator privileges.
You can get these privileges with the root password or ( when "give administrator privileges to this user" check-box has been marked) with your user password.
Look in the  Authentication window  behind User: which is needed.
When you don't put a mark at "give administrator privileges to this user", you get an authentication screen as shown bellow.
Watch the difference between this one and the installation manual.
(you have to login to see the image)
I hope this will explain it better !  Smiley


* authentication.png (24.91 KB, 540x292 - viewed 99 times.)
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 17:05:38 PM »

Thank you "atolboo" for your detailed explanation
I am easily confused and hope that you will have the time to provide some more details.
You say
"Not only for the first user but for all users."
and you say
"You can get these privileges with the root password or ( when "give administrator privileges to this user" check-box has been marked) with your user password."
But  "all users should check the administrator box"
 
Perhaps it is the word OR that is confusing me.
Or the use of the term "super user" used in the screen shot of the "Network card authentication" in the wiki
Perhaps if you told me which password should be (was) used in the wiki" Network card authentication" screenshot it would help
Was it the one that was created in the"juser" screenshot wiki (first user)
or
was it the one created in the "Administrator password" screenshot?
Can "super user" be anyone and thereby any person's "user" password becomes a "super user" password; so that we have many "super user" passwords.

 EDIT:   the instructions to the "Network card authentication" screenshot say
"Enter at [1] your user password"

As you can see I am easily confused
In my ignorance this would seem to make it easier for any cracker to guess the "root" access
Many thanks for your time and trouble



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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 20:55:36 PM »

Perhaps if you told me which password should be (was) used in the wiki" Network card authentication" screenshot it would help
It is
Code:
the one that was created in the"juser" screenshot wiki

Can "super user" be anyone and thereby any person's "user" password becomes a "super user" password; so that we have many "super user" passwords.
Every user with a marked "give administrator privileges" check-box can become "super user (or root)" by means of his user password.

EDIT:   the instructions to the "Network card authentication" screenshot say
"Enter at [1] your user password"
I will change the text in order to prevent confusion.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2009, 02:45:40 AM »

atolboo
very many thanks for your detailed explanations.
It seems that part of my confusion was caused by my failure to realize that "administrator" is not the same as "super user"
If all users are to have the "administrator" box checked then "user" and "administrator" become synonymous.
As "MitraMai" observed:
: I can't answer what determines which level of privilege is required though. To me it seems fairly random sometimes."

If you change the wording in the "Network card authentication"from
"authentication as the super user is required to perform this action"
to
"authentication as administrator (or "user") is required to perform this action" i will be less confused!
thank you very much for your time and effort.
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2009, 12:11:54 PM »

If you change the wording in the "Network card authentication"from
"authentication as the super user is required to perform this action"
to
"authentication as administrator (or "user") is required to perform this action" i will be less confused!
thank you very much for your time and effort.
I can't change the text as it is part of the KDE software.
If you want to change it, you can report it at http://www.kde.org/
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2009, 15:55:33 PM »

thanks for the very quick reply.
In
 Reply #3
I asked:
Perhaps if you told me which password should be (was) used in the wiki" Network card authentication" screenshot it would help
Was it the one that was created in the"juser" screenshot wiki (first user)
or
was it the one created in the "Administrator password" screenshot?

you replied ( Reply #4 )
the one that was created in the"juser" screenshot wiki

I took this to mean that I should NOT use the one created in the "administrator password screen"

The wiki text instruction says:
Enter at [1] the password of the user shown after User

But, within the authentication window itself it asks for the super user password which would seem to be the one that was created in the "administrator password screen"
Your comment that you will change the text must refer to the following sentence:
Enter at [1] the password of the user shown after User.
What will you change it to?
Many thanks for helping me
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2009, 16:07:51 PM »

What will you change it to?
I already changed
Quote
Enter at [1] your user password.
into
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Enter at [1] the password of the user shown after User:.
at 19:58, 4 February 2009
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2009, 21:24:31 PM »

My apologies
I have just seen the post by Lisa in the Configuring Pardus section:

[solved] Package Manager - Authentication Required - super user or root?

Phix points out that:

Just to make things clear, on Linux :
root = administrator = super user
user = simple user. He can be granted some administrative rights by the administrator.

"some administrative rights"

Is there an article that spells out which rights a user has and which a super user has?
Many thanks for all your help
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 10:14:24 AM »

Sorry my bad english.

You can have a more precise control of users actions through the module for it in TASMA.

Here a snapshot

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/GJ-1QKqx-IUHA9Bn5BN4Sg?feat=directlink



   
Maybe there is a wiki for this but I have not found,  the screenshots show what can be done
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