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James T
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« on: September 04, 2009, 17:32:31 PM »

Following yesterday's update to the X servers for Pardus 2009, X will not start on my test-bed machine.

The machine is a fairly basic desktop system with an Nvidia FX5600 AGP video card. I don't use the nvidia closed drivers, but the default (no driver given in xorg.conf) since nvidia-173 will not support 1680x1050 via the DVI interface.

Has anyone else had similar problems?

And a couple of Pardus-specific questions:
1) Is the default nv or nouveau -- and how to tell which is running?
2) How do I restart a service or daemon? (i.e. the equivalent to /etc/init.d/kdm restart on *buntu).

[Sorry I've not had a chance to check the log files for more clues as I only discovered the problem this morning before heading in to work when I fired up that machine to see if a network issue was local to my main box or not. I'll check in more detail this evening but I thought a quick heads-up might be in order].
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2009, 17:58:45 PM »

Following yesterday's update to the X servers for Pardus 2009, X will not start on my test-bed machine.

Hello,

the nearly same problem you find in this Thread  Wink

Before open a new Thread please search in the Forum. Thanks.

Greetings
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2009, 02:29:38 AM »


the nearly same problem you find in this Thread  Wink

Yes: the last entry there fixed my problem -- but the thread looked like it was about the nvidia closed drivers (also I'd forgotten how long ago I'd last udated that box) so I'd assumed it wasn't relevant.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2009, 16:07:43 PM »

Hi James,

Yes, it does seem that thread was about the closed drivers.  I should have started another one.  I should have also started another bug report for I've never even seen kernel 30.4-125.  I guess it was prior to last week as that's when I downloaded P09.  The kernel update is 5-126

Do (as user with administrative rights)
sudo lspci -v

Here's mine:
Code:
VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8500 GT] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])                                             
        Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. NX8500GT-TD512EH/M2       
        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18                       
        Memory at d2000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]               
        Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]                   
        Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32M]               
        I/O ports at 9000 [size=128]                                           
        Expansion ROM at d3000000 [disabled] [size=128K]                       
        Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2                           
        Capabilities: [68] MSI: Mask- 64bit+ Count=1/1 Enable-                 
        Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00                             
        Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel <?>                                 
        Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting <?>                                 
        Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information <?>                     
        Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidiafb
I don't know what default kernel module is it using, as there are two listed. 

On a side note, Looks like I need to look for another graphics card, not because of this, but because of a short that happened a week ago when I smelled electrical burning smell.  When I booted up (cold bott) today, the graphics was messy all across the screen, and I hadn't even gotten to the boot grub menu yet.  I had to do a hard restart to get it working.
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2009, 11:54:39 AM »

The machine is a fairly basic desktop system with an Nvidia FX5600 AGP video card. I don't use the nvidia closed but the default ...........
Yes, it does seem that thread was about the closed drivers. 
Here is my solution when you don't want to use the nvidia driver.
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At bootloader (Grub) select F4=Failsave and start Pardus 2009 [2.6.30.5-126]
System Settings > Display > Video Card: > Configure... > Select from the list: > nv > OK > Apply > OK
And restart the computer.
Maybe it"s also working for you !  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2009, 17:27:40 PM »

Hi atolboo,

How kind you are!  Thanks for this tip.

At the bug report that I added my situation to , a fellow named Taner suggested that as well.  I tried it, but only got to a console log-in, not graphical log-in. 

http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=10818

One thing I noticed is in the first implemented updates after installing, besides the new kernel, there were all kinds of updates for many other xorg-video-driver name, but not for xorg-video-nouveau. 

Lisa Marie
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2009, 18:44:10 PM »

.......... but only got to a console log-in, not graphical log-in. 
Try this:
Start with the previous kernel (the 123).
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System Settings > Display > Video Card: > Configure... > Select from the list: > nv > OK > Apply > OK
And restart with the new kernel (the 126).
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2009, 23:09:18 PM »

Doubly-solved, atolboo.  That worked.  I changed menu.lst back to how it was, without the nouveau.modeset=1 and back to vga=0x31a to be sure. 

Boo-hoo,  :'(  I wanted to use nouveau.   

 Cheesy Great, as I really don't see any difference, especially since both are using 2D output. 

Still, I will try to help debug nouveau, as it is new.   Wink  This is much appreciated.  I'll have to let Taner know, too.
Regards, Lisa Marie
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2009, 12:22:29 PM »

Thanks for the feedback. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2009, 09:45:56 AM »

Not sure whether to start a new thread- but I think this is the same problem:

Package manager is showing me three updates available:

module-nvidia-current

module-current-userspace

xorg-video-nvidia-current

(My graphics card is a Geforce 6200.)

Whichever way I try to install these, I end up not being able to start x, and having to use the history manager to rollback to the earlier state in failsafe mode.

I've tried the solutions above, I've tried using the nv driver then rebooting and installing the updates one at a time, but every time I get to the point where x won't start.  Obviously I can just ignore the updates in the short term, but there's something not right!  If appropriate I will write a bug report of course.

Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2009, 10:48:57 AM »

(My graphics card is a Geforce 6200.)
As I have just finished this test for this bug report and therefore I have only the nv driver installed.
I have a MSI NX6200AX-TD256H video card.
Display manager shows nx6200ax1.png (see below).
After installing xorg-video-nvidia-current (+module-nvidia-current +module-current-userspace)
And activating nvidia-current + a restart.
I get nx6200ax2.png in System Information.
That's all I can tell (it's working for me)
You can use this info with
If appropriate I will write a bug report of course.


* nx6200ax1.png (78.34 KB, 760x583 - viewed 104 times.)

* nx6200ax2.png (19.01 KB, 355x112 - viewed 110 times.)
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2009, 21:22:15 PM »

Thanks for taking the time to reply atolboo, but I'm a bit confused as to what you suggest.

My system information currently looks exactly the same as yours.  I have xorg-video-nvidia-current 185.18.31 installed, but package manager wants me to install 185.18.36, which, if installed, doesn't let me start x.  The existing version works fine, so I could just ignore the update, but that doesn't seem right somehow.

Are you suggesting that I write a bug report?  I've never done one, but will have a go if appropriate.

Sorry for being so dim- and thanks again for your help!
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2009, 23:17:29 PM »

I have installed and use the following package
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atolboo@atolboo-pardus ~ $ pisi info xorg-video-nvidia-current
Geïnstalleerd pakket:
Naam: xorg-video-nvidia-current, versie 185.18.36, uitgave 16, bouw 12
and this is working without any problems for my video card.
As far as I am concerned there in nothing wrong with this driver.
That's all I can tell.
Maybe there is something wrong with your hardware. Although I don't expect this.
When you write a bug report, maybe they have additional commands to investigate your problem ?
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2009, 23:30:34 PM »

Thanks atolboo- I'll write a bug report tomorrow, as it's getting late here.

Thanks again
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2009, 00:32:27 AM »


And a couple of Pardus-specific questions:
1) Is the default nv or nouveau -- and how to tell which is running?
 

This is command I use (no need to be super user or root for commands):
Code:
lsmod | grep nouveau
nouveau               434384  1
drm                   184544  2 nouveau
i2c_algo_bit            5088  1 nouveau

and to check visual moving graphics using the neato spinning gears image I use:
Code:
glxgears

to check for direct rending:
Code:
glxinfo | grep direct
direct rendering: Yes
 
Lisa Marie


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