How to generally make sense of Pardus repositories

[Llama]

Hi,

I just installed pardus 2009.1 on my VBox. By default it's got just one repo on the list:

$ pisi lr
pardus-2009.1 [active]
   http://packages.pardus.org.tr/pardus-2009.1/pisi-index.xml.bz2
$

Fine by me, but... How am I supposed to determine the rest of actual (2009(.1)?) repositories (test, contrib, users) without asking questions on the forum?

I tried the obvious thing: http://packages.pardus.org.tr/

Probably a dumb question, but how am I to deduce the right URLs from there?


http://packages.pardus.org.tr/pardus-2009.1/pisi-index.xml.bz2

How am I supposed to make sure (just for my satisfaction) that the bold part exists and determine what other bold parts are available   ?

[NeoGraven]

Have you tried:

Go in the menu under System->Package Manager. In Package Manager, look in the Settings menu and click Configure Package Manager. In this screen you will see a 'Repositories' tab with the contrib repository listed, but not selected perhaps?

If not, you can add the repository just click Add New Repository, give it a name (e.g. 'Contrib'). You should then add the repository address of: http://packages.pardus.org.tr/contrib-2009/pisi-index.xml.bz2

Does that help? I've not found any other standard repositories for Pardus, but these two have pretty much everything I've looked for. These two are very comprehensive repositories, more so than most other distros. In other words, those are the repositories for this version of Pardus.. why look for other directories? Are you looking for mirrors perhaps?

Cheers!

[atolboo]

How am I supposed to determine the rest of actual (2009(.1)?) repositories (test, contrib, users) without asking questions on the forum?

Have a look HERE.

[Llama]

Have a look HERE.

I've started there. But that's kind of gospel, only subject to obsolescense. Of course, I can use bits and pieces found here, as well as trial and error. It doesn't feel quite the right thing to do, does it?

Let me repeat:

I tried the obvious thing: http://packages.pardus.org.tr/
Probably a dumb question, but how am I to deduce the right URLs from there?

I mean, how am I supposed to check that http://packages.pardus.org.tr/ supplies http://packages.pardus.org.tr/pardus-2009.1/pisi-index.xml.bz2 , for instance? It is not obvious, is it?

[atolboo]

It doesn't feel quite the right thing to do, does it?

Well, it's the right thing to do.

[PhiX]

The first time wizard Kaptan allows you to activate the contrib repository.

[atolboo]

Or to add Contrib for Pardus 2009.1 in a Konsole:

Code:

sudo pisi ar contrib http://packages.pardus.org.tr/contrib-2009/pisi-index.xml.bz2 -y

[Llama]

It doesn't feel quite the right thing to do, does it?

Well, it's the right thing to do.

You mean, I can't even have a peep under the hood, just in case? No way?

I tried the obvious thing: http://packages.pardus.org.tr/
Probably a dumb question, but how am I to deduce the right (available) URLs from there?

I am not even sure I've made myself clear  

[Llama]

Go in the menu under System->Package Manager. In Package Manager, look in the Settings menu and click Configure Package Manager. In this screen you will see a 'Repositories' tab with the contrib repository listed, but not selected perhaps?

When it comes to package management, I prefer CLI tools

I've not found any other standard repositories for Pardus

That's much more to the point  . Will you please post the lookup procedure?

Are you looking for mirrors perhaps?

Next step, mirrors are welcome, too, of course.

[Llama]

$ pisi lr
pardus-2009.1 [active]
   http://packages.pardus.org.tr/pardus-2009.1/pisi-index.xml.bz2
contrib-2009 [active]
   http://packages.pardus.org.tr/contrib-2009/pisi-index.xml.bz2
user-2009 [active]
   http://paketler.pardus-linux.org/P2009-free/pisi-index.xml.bz2

Does it look right? Neither tomboy nor zim in this configuration. Is it so bad?

[atolboo]

Does it look right?

Yes.

Neither tomboy nor zim in this configuration.

What are tomboy and zim

[Llama]

What are tomboy and zim?

Tomboy and Zim are similar in nature note taking apps. The absence of both feels a bit uncomfortable. Or else I have to know where to look really well  .

[PhiX]

You can use the Notes plasmoïd instead of Tomboy, and BasKet instead of Zim. Both are available in Pardus.

[Llama]

You can use the Notes plasmoïd instead of Tomboy, and BasKet instead of Zim. Both are available in Pardus.

I'm now in danger of hijacking my own thread... It looks like Pardus packaging policy is self-defeating. What if I already got used to Zim or Tomboy and don't care for a change ?

Let's see what we have:

(1) Unparalleled in Linux world technological base.

(2) Combination of stable core apps and up-to-date production applications. The only other distro maintaining the same balance is PCLinuxOS, to my knowledge.

(3) User friendliness, up to a point (4)

(4) Sparse repositories. They feel just as sparse today as they felt a year ago, which suggests rather policy than simple inaction.

I can explain why I'm interested in Pardus. I run two boxes: a laptop, my very own (Arch), and a family box (Arch at present) which I can't abandon to its non-advanced users for obvious reasons. Pardus looks like an ideal fire-and-forget substitute, except that I'll have to build all the missing apps myself. That's a good definition of self-defeat.

Why not borrow some ideas from Arch?

(1) core == pardus(year)

(2) extra+community == contrib

(3) AUR != personal pigmy repositories+user(pigmy too)

Why not consolidate user effort the AUR way? You see, Arch build system (ABS) is a great, easy to use tool, but you don't even need to learn it: regular repos+AUR contain everything, to all intents and purposes. That's because

(1) Regular repos (core extra & community) contain all the apps which proved themselves to be in demand;

(2) AUR contains everything ever needed by a single user

One cannot do any better, IMHO 

[PhiX]

What is "AUR" ?