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John A
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« on: July 08, 2011, 11:59:23 AM »

A interesting blog about that subject. Translated it with Google:

http://translate.google.se/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpavel.frimix.se%2F2011%2F02%2F12%2Fnar-bryter-linux-2-vallen-pa-skrivbordsdatorer%2F&act=url

I hope Linux will grow but after I have used it about 3 years I have my doubts to. Very difficult to even get people to try it. Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 12:12:15 PM »

I did like KDE3 a lot. Now KDE4 and even more things like Unity/GNOME3 make me angry/annoyed at the desktop. I've seen people switch to Mac annoyed by the "changes" in the Linux desktop section Wink
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 13:00:14 PM »

Now KDE4 and even more things .....
I have a different opinion Wink
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John A
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 15:51:28 PM »

I dont think KDE3, KDE4 or Unity itself are the big issue. Most computers are sold with Windows 7 or Mac preinstalled. So why would people bother to change the system at all?
Only smaller private dealers selling empty computers.
And in my country Sweden children are indoctrinated to Windows in early ages. They often get a laptop with Windows 7 at school to do homework etc..

Essays you leave in at school/universitys must be in OOXML ( a way to blockOpenOffice/LibreOffice) file format to be approved.

So to brake this monopoly are not so easy. Smiley

Even in Turkey Pardus have no greater succes  to implement their system in companys or goverment offices what I understand. I think they only got some PC.s with it for testing purposes but not in a larger scale:
http://blog.erkantekman.org/?p=402
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owiknowi
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2011, 20:19:16 PM »

yes, that was a neat trick that so called open ooxml document format from ms.

like john a already stated, a big part of the problem is caused by public services like schools, universities, governments, and the like. they use closed source software because it comes shipped with the hardware.
and what's more: the i.t. decision makers often like to stick to what they know, just to be on the safe side, career wise.

changing that would require a lot of political influence (or just brute power) to forbid the ongoing abuse of tax money on closed source software.

so if a government / educational /public organization or whatever, forces you to use a certain (closed) document format, they should provide you with the means to do so.

but alas, even in germany some departments who were working with open source software are switching back to closed source software.
the reason was that users were complaining about incompatibility of the aforementioned so called open ooxml formats...  Roll Eyes

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some serious marketing also could help. like a range of desktops/notebooks/netbooks/tablets etc. from a well known brand.
thus giving users a choice when buying a new computer. show people what linux has to offer, like in computer stores and the like. it even saves money on the os and on (expensive) applications.
a nice side effect from the latter would be a decrease of the illegal use of (professional) software by home users.

breaking the hegemony of the closed source world still will be a pretty hard.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 00:55:41 AM »

Well if Linux instead of new major release of a desktop environment would got stable release of Adobe CS 5/6, or other proprietary and business essential for some application then it would have bigger adoption rate. Adobe did think about it, but it seems it got dropped at some point. I can use Linux for my work (codding), but my company (custom publishing) can't. I can't also use it for my hobby - astrophotography Wink

Success of free and no-free/non-open apps in Android or iPhone/iPad show that both type of apps are desired, required by the users.
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John A
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 13:52:32 PM »

But now things start to happends recently:
http://techpp.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-os-windows-killer-or-google-killer/?dhiti=1

If Google getting involved maybe things will happend. I think they have enough money and power to change things.


Asus will start will preinstalled Ubuntu:
http://www.muktware.com/news/02/2011/1309

But we will se how Microsoft will respond. Start with Windows  XP again? Smiley

The removed Xandros/Eee PC from the market fast with that decision.
Or maybe they will sell Windows 7 cheaper.

The Open PC projects seems to working now. Possible to buy computers there:
http://open-pc.com/

If Linux would get like 5 % I would be happy.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 15:58:05 PM »

But now things start to happends recently:
http://techpp.com/2009/07/08/google-chrome-os-windows-killer-or-google-killer/?dhiti=1
Or maybe they will sell Windows 7 cheaper.

lol: in thailand they even gave their os for free + 5 USD with every pc sold with ms w, because they had no market there.
every pc was sold with a penguin pre installed afaik... Wink
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John A
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 16:38:46 PM »

Well how is it today. Maybe it was some years ago.
(probably around 2002-2003)
And was it thrue they ever did it or was it a tall tale? Wink

http://www.acer.co.th/ac/th/TH/content/home
http://www.fujitsu.com/th/en/services/pc/desktops/
http://h20424.www2.hp.com/product/desktops/th/en/hp-home-desktop-pc.asp#/HP_Pavilion


As far I can search I see only Windows 7 in homepages there, no with Linux pre-installed...
So it seems like Microsoft strategy was a succes in Thailand.
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owiknowi
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 17:51:59 PM »

the thing is not to look at ms c.s. as enemies but rather as companies with well organized and successful marketing strategies.
not to copy their strategies, but learn from them. the goal should not be to become another big bloated os, but become the best alternative.

open source & free software and open document formats are worthy and reliable alternatives, free of absurd restrictions and high costs.
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