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atolboo
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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2011, 11:25:58 AM »

zum abschluß: clicked on 'faith' and ended up with a log in screen, so still  Shocked
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And if you want an answer from him I can only advise to register there and ask in the topic there.
Because then he will also be notified by email about a new post in the topic.
And it's up to him to react.
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2011, 07:33:36 AM »

@atolboo
still awaiting approval of the administrator of the german forum...
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2011, 12:51:56 PM »

http://forum.pardususer.de/index.php?topic=2181.0
This is all I can do for now Wink
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owiknowi
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2011, 17:48:22 PM »

 Embarrassed i'm sorry atolboo, didn't mean for you to have work from this as well.
just wanted to let you know that, again, a valuable advise from you, has been taken to heart.

but, and again again, thank you very much for your effort! and it worked: i have received a welcome message from http://forum.pardususer.de/   Grin

regards/herzlichen grüß,
owiknowi
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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2011, 13:48:13 PM »

hi everyone,

this topic has also the attention on the german pardus forum. if you're able to read a bit german, or use a babelfish, take a look at: http://forum.pardususer.de/index.php?topic=2186.msg24693#msg24693

looks like it boils down to the fact that the hp dv6 uses two graphical controllers (switchable):
1. the ati radeon hd5600, a dedicated video card with 1gb memory.
2. a generic graphical chipset which uses shared memory from ram.

in w7 one can either let the software choose which one to use or set it by hand with the ati software. i would like to be able to make that choice on a bios level since i only want to use the ati video card.

unfortunately the bios of the hp dv6 is rather poor in options... :'(
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owiknowi
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2011, 17:38:49 PM »

thanks to sw from the german pardus forum, an interesting blog on graphic cards and chips among other things:

http://www.andreas-demmer.de/en/2010/07/18/testbericht-linux-auf-dem-hp-envy-14/

please do read the latest reactions as well (07/2011).
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2011, 20:31:59 PM »

just to let you all know and keeping things up to date:
filed a bug report last friday on not being able to install any proprietary ati radeon hd5600 drivers (option is grayed out). the answer for now was:
'Do you have two graphic cards on your system ? If yes, there is not much I can do.'

this is more or less the same what i found out on other forums and it's not a pardus problem as such, but an ongoing problem for linux (closed source switchable graphics).
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2011, 13:42:40 PM »

the also filed 'bug' here at hand, had to be closed by pardus since there's no official support for this kind of gpu system: http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=18819 (thanks for your effort anyway, fatih arslan!)

no harm done, since i'm still able to enjoy pardus k2 and 2011 on the hp dv6, just using the chipset Grin
so. all in all, they just can't beat the penguins, those corporate suites who invent this kinda bunk... Tongue

p.s. i'm going to try some of  the information on switcheroo you and others provided me with, atolboo.
so for now i won't close this topic, if that's alright with forum rules? or should we open a new topic on switcheroo for both ati and nvidia with pardus k2 and 2011.1?
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2011, 15:26:07 PM »

So if I would buy a new PC Intel is to prefeer more than AMD?
I have noticed that you get a better price with AMD on similar machines:

(1)
http://www.comegadata.se/CBC.aspx?q=c:100471

(2)
http://www.oc.nu/oc-datorer/oc-basic.html

But If Intel works better on Linux I would pay more of course. Smiley
(Or maybe we will open a new topic about this issue?)
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owiknowi
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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2011, 15:58:21 PM »

hi john a,

don't really know. some say amd (owns ati nowadays) has better linux support but intel is better supported by linux...

i would prefer, and that's strictly personal, a notebook with just an intel graphics chip set. never had troubles with linux  on an asus ul50a, samsung x460, compal ntuc0, all of them have an intel chip set.
even the hp has an intel chip set which works just fine with pardus k2 and 2011.1 (other penguins like ubuntu, fedroa, opensuse, mint, sabayon, etc, don't work at all).

the troubles here at hand, and with other penguins on the hp, are caused by the 'new' closed source switchable thingy and that's an ati card.

you also might want to take a look here and at graphikkarte maybe even ask around on the german pardus forum.

in due time i think the switchable thingy is going to work out of the box with linux as well. till then it takes some effort or maybe will not work at all...

p.s. this only applies to notebooks, don't know much anymore about desktops  Sad

found these links too (with scroogle):
http://www.pugetsystems.com/alternate_os.php
http://linuxpreloaded.com/
and in the past dell sold several pc's with linux
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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2011, 16:59:10 PM »

If look at thoose who sell pre-installed Linux computers:
http://www.system76.com/index.php?cPath=27

It seems they prefeer Intel. So I suppose thats some indication what to buy.
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2011, 19:59:28 PM »

So if I would buy a new PC Intel is to prefeer more than AMD?
My opininion is to go for nVidia, whenever this is possible. Wink
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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2011, 08:41:01 AM »

My opininion is to go for nVidia, whenever this is possible. Wink

does nvidia also make integrated video chip sets? thought they were just specialized in the dedicated video cards? Huh?
but i recon the problem isn't all that big when buying a desktop pc without integrated video chip set.
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2011, 14:58:31 PM »

since i'm still unable to install the proper ati drivers for the ati hd5600 card, i was wondering if i could switch it off all together (maybe even remove it from the notebook? wouldn't that just be great! Roll Eyes )

afaik, it just uses power whilst doing nothing. hence i'm doing everything using the intel chip set. minus some 'traces' whilst moving a window across the desktop, most things seem to work with pardus k2 and 2011.1 for now.



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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2011, 10:15:03 AM »

some answers on the same question d.d. 08/11 from  the german pardus forum.
in short: no i can not disable the unusable ati card without, probably, disabling the whole hp dv6 altogether... Grin

so, of course, i have a next question  Roll Eyes

when i move files across the desktop they leave traces, sort of breadcrumbs. refreshing the desktop make them disappear.

a wild and uneducated guess on my behalf is it's caused by the intel graphics chipset and shared ram?
(no, it's bios doesn't provide a sensible option to fix the amount of used shared ram by the chipset (that actual improves system stability on such systems).
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