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« on: August 04, 2011, 00:18:17 AM »

I tried an install of Pardus 2011.1 on my laptop hard drive and got the same Unhandled Exception error as I did when installing it to the flash stick. So I installed Pardus 2011 and that went ok, no errors. I did the updates to get me to Pardus 2011.1. However, in the Display Settings the selection check box for the proprietary driver is greyed out so I can't install it. The video card/chip is:

lspci -nn | grep VGA
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] [1002:4e50]

The driver being used doesn't seem very good because when I drag a window it's very jerky and the edges break up. Just wondered if anyone else has the same video card/chip and has the same problem and is seeing the same thing in the Display Settings?

This was not happening with Pardus 2009.2 installed on the same laptop. I don't know which driver was being used (I didn't look) but window dragging was smooth, no problems at all.


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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 12:19:47 PM »

unfortunately i do not have a solution for you but you might want to take a look here:
http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3963.0
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http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=18819
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 20:47:13 PM »

unfortunately i do not have a solution for you but you might want to take a look here:
http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3963.0
and
http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=18819

Thanks. Looks like there is not a solution at the moment then. There is just the one graphics chip in this machine though so I'll file a bug when I can work out how to Pardus bugzilla in English.

Cheers.
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SW
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2011, 00:39:01 AM »

Sorry for bad news: http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=17793

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Well sorry for this bad news but your card is not compatible with fglrx drivers
(our Driver database prevent this, thus you couldn't see the selection of
closed source drivers). They (ATI/ADM) dropped support for these cards. You
only option is to use the open source driver (that's also better for you, ATI
doesn't care of users, it's better if you use the open source drivers and
report issues to the developers. They are continuesly developing and making
good improvements there).
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2011, 03:05:23 AM »

Sorry for bad news: http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=17793

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Well sorry for this bad news but your card is not compatible with fglrx drivers
(our Driver database prevent this, thus you couldn't see the selection of
closed source drivers). They (ATI/ADM) dropped support for these cards. You
only option is to use the open source driver (that's also better for you, ATI
doesn't care of users, it's better if you use the open source drivers and
report issues to the developers. They are continuesly developing and making
good improvements there).
Ah, well thanks for pointing that out. It is bad news, indeed. The open source driver is, at the moment, not good enough. I see you have the same laptop as me only with twice as much RAM. Great little machine and was running Pardus 2009.2 really well. I wonder what driver 2009.2 was using because everything was working just fine. Do you happen to know? I think I'm going to go back to 2009.2 anyway, 2011/2011.1 is too problematic for me on this machine.
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owiknowi
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2011, 13:10:08 PM »

the following two links were pointed out to me by atolboo. maybe they are in one way or another useful to you too.
i've also got both ubuntu and fedora installed, so i'm going to tinker with it a bit. if any success, i'll post it on this forum.

http://asusm51ta-with-linux.blogspot.com/
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http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Vga_switcheroo
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2011, 19:35:51 PM »

the following two links were pointed out to me by atolboo. maybe they are in one way or another useful to you too.
i've also got both ubuntu and fedora installed, so i'm going to tinker with it a bit. if any success, i'll post it on this forum.

http://asusm51ta-with-linux.blogspot.com/
and
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Vga_switcheroo

Thanks, I had a look but they seem to be for computers with two graphic cards/chips. I'm going to have to reinstall Pardus 2009.2 and see what driver was being used then because it was working well. Don't understand why Pardus 2011.1 is not using the same one.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 02:39:41 AM »

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...I'm going to have to reinstall Pardus 2009.2 and see what driver was being used then because it was working well. Don't understand why Pardus 2011.1 is not using the same one.

So I'm guessing that Pardus 2009.2 is using the same driver as Pardus 2011.1 if it's using the open source driver. So, what would make it perform worse on 2011.1? Any ideas welcome.
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2011, 15:14:33 PM »

Pardus 2009 was using the official fglrx driver from ati. As fatih said unfortunately fglrx don´t longer support R300 chipset. Meanwhile the OpenSource driver seems quite good: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?26651-AMD-s-R300-Gallium3D-Driver-Is-Looking-Good-For-2011 

Second bad thing that happened is that KWin dropped R300 support by accident: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/06/need-an-ati-r300/

Seems that Kwin not using the capabilities of the grafic engine since KDE 4.6.x   Undecided

Maybe KDE 4.7.x brings some improvement. This is not only related to Pardus 2011....also other  Distribution using KDE 4.6.x until 4.7.x should have this problem!  Lips Sealed
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2011, 23:50:58 PM »

Thanks SW, I appreciate the assistance. I'm a bit confused about this whole thing though. I reinstalled Pardus 2009.2 and the lsmod output is similar to Pardus 2011.1:

Pardus 2009.2:

Code:
airtight@airtight-pardus ~ $ lsmod | grep radeon
radeon                435140  2
ttm                    36332  1 radeon
drm_kms_helper         25252  1 radeon
drm                   148036  5 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit            5104  1 radeon

Pardus 2011.1:

Code:
airtight@pardus2011-airtight-laptop ~ $ lsmod | grep radeon
radeon                555117  2
ttm                    46322  1 radeon
drm_kms_helper         25030  1 radeon
drm                   150107  4 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit            3890  1 radeon

Pardus 2009 was using the official fglrx driver from ati. As fatih said unfortunately fglrx don´t longer support R300 chipset. Meanwhile the OpenSource driver seems quite good: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?26651-AMD-s-R300-Gallium3D-Driver-Is-Looking-Good-For-2011

In the output above for Pardus 2009.2, it doesn't say VMware or Gallium. In the list of drivers in the Video Card Configuration I can see only radeon, radeonhd, ati and vmware. So the output above seems to be saying that a driver called radeon driver is being used, not the official fglrx driver. Am I interpreting that correctly? Also, I searched in Package Manager for fglrx and found these uninstalled entries (see attached picture) so maybe the official fglrx driver wasn't being used by default, maybe it is up to me to install it and then select it from the list of drivers. But then why does it already mention ati and vmware in the dropdown list of drivers? Huh?

Second bad thing that happened is that KWin dropped R300 support by accident: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/06/need-an-ati-r300/

Just want to be clear on this. My (and yours) graphics chip is:

Code:
lspci -nn | grep VGA
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] [1002:4e50]

So it seems that whatever applies to chip R300 also applies to the RV350, is that right?

Seems that Kwin not using the capabilities of the grafic engine since KDE 4.6.x   Undecided

Yes, a regression. Just goes to show that new is not always better.

Maybe KDE 4.7.x brings some improvement. This is not only related to Pardus 2011....also other  Distribution using KDE 4.6.x until 4.7.x should have this problem!  Lips Sealed

We're all in it together! Lips Sealed

On a side note, in the output of lshw into html, the "display" section that shows my chip details, is in red, as are a three or four other entries. Anyone know what this means?


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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2011, 01:36:27 AM »

Gallium is developed by vmware (formerly Tungsten) ans is a part of the open source driver so I think the driver is right, but the name is not 100% clear.
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium3D
There is also a terminal command to read the used driver:
/usr/libexec/panda-helper cur

IF radeon driver is installed, then You could change to radeon with the following command:
/usr/libexec/panda-helper up os

Here are some other values:
For Nvidia

    os = nouveau
    generic = fallback driver (old X driver).
    vendor = closed source nvidia driver


For ATI

    os = radeon
    vendor = fglrx
    generic =fallback driver (old X driver).


generic and radeon dont make any speed difference because of the KDE 4.6.x issue  Sad

Because P2009 is using 4.5.x radeon together with  KWin seems to work fine.


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So it seems that whatever applies to chip R300 also applies to the RV350, is that right?
This is only a guess of me, because it is the same chip family and the speed issue with Kwin is in my eyes obvious!   :'(


Solution:
use KDE SC 4.5.x (P2009) / use no KDE distribution
Maybe compiz instead of Kwin is also a solution. Compiz is not available at Pardus


Edit: This post is without warranty, because I´m not sure that everything is 100% correct  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2011, 17:10:45 PM »

Thanks again.

Apparently there is no panda package for Pardus 2009.2 so I can't check which driver is actually being used and the last time I selected a different driver from the list (on another machine), I couldn't log back in to the graphical desktop and it took a long time to fix it so I'm wary of trying that again. I just wish I could really pin down which driver is being used.

I don't use Kwin on this laptop (although it does work ok with whatever this driver is) so that's not a problem. My main puzzle is, that given the fglrx module/driver is not installed on this laptop and it's working fine with whatever the driver being used is, then why doesn't Pardus 2011.1 work as well (also with Kwin disabled) with the same (apparently, according to lsmod, if that's what is shows) driver?

I really like Pardus and KDE and I don't want to change to another distro, so I'll just stick with Pardus 2009.2 on the laptop.
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2011, 20:01:13 PM »

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why doesn't Pardus 2011.1 work as well (also with Kwin disabled)
I guess You can disable Kwin effects, but not Kwin itself  Undecided

Because we have a smililar machine maybe You should add some more memory, because here usage of P2011 is possible. Videos in fullscreen are sometimes flickering and of course  Desktop effects are not working and resize of windows is also not nice but besides that its working quite good.  Lips Sealed
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2011, 22:42:33 PM »

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why doesn't Pardus 2011.1 work as well (also with Kwin disabled)
I guess You can disable Kwin effects, but not Kwin itself  Undecided

Yes, of course, that's what I meant to say. Embarrassed

Because we have a smililar machine maybe You should add some more memory, because here usage of P2011 is possible. Videos in fullscreen are sometimes flickering and of course  Desktop effects are not working and resize of windows is also not nice but besides that its working quite good.  Lips Sealed

Well that's a relief!  Grin

Unfortunately, I cannot afford to add more memory and to be honest, as things stand at the moment, I much prefer P2009.2 on my laptop.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2011, 02:01:07 AM »

Pardus 2009.2 will reach it's end of life soon:
http://liste.pardus.org.tr/pardus-announce/2011-August/000100.html

So maybe the Corporate 2 version would be a better option?
http://liste.pardus.org.tr/pardus-announce/2011-February/000096.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kItqeVABPiE
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