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John A
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« on: August 25, 2011, 21:07:41 PM »

I have read some good ideas and suggestion to get a linux certified printer:
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/testingcertification#OpenPrinting_Testing_and_Certification_Program

But what happend with it? The page have not been updated since 2006.
And the discussion list are dead to:
https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/printing-discuss/

I have search for a new black/white laser printer in some places that will work with Linux, dont need a new myself. Just search for fun. This page can be of help:
http://www.openprinting.org/printers

But the problem with it are that most of the models that are for sale at the stores and computer shops at this moment are not there. Mostly old obsolete models they not producing anymore.

And it's difficult find new models that are marked with 3 penguins like this one (not for sale anymore):
http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-1640

Most new cheap models that are on the list (if they are there at all) are often marked with only 1, 2 penguins or are just marked with the paperweight symbol:
http://www.dustinhome.se/samsung-laser-ml-3471nd/product/5010116125
http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-3471ND

I just choose Samsung for some example but the other brands are similar to. I will only buy a printer marked with 3 penguins to be sure it will work with Linux.

My old HP have only 2 penguins (work with Ubuntu but not with Pardus):
http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_P1005


HP are not better than the others, but they should be as a member of Linux foundation. This is one of the reason that prevent Linux to get a larger userbase: Undecided
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro

With Windows you save a lot of time when you not need be so active in this subject.
You just wait for a model to be on sale, the brand are not so important and just buy it when you find a good price.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2011, 21:47:45 PM by John A » Logged
SW
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 01:30:21 AM »

Simple solution: http://www.turboprint.info/

30€ and You can be on the save side that the supported printer is running 100% perfectly!


HP is definately  better: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html

For P1005 please see: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_p1005.html
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Driver Plugin Information:

This printer REQUIRES a downloadable driver plug-in. Use hp-setup to install the printer, and to download and install the plug-in. In general, required driver plugins are required for printing support. Driver plug-ins are released under a proprietary (non-open) license and are not part of the HPLIP tarball release.

This I already told You some days ago  Wink


Don´t blame Linux, blame the printer manufactures!

Cheers (good to see You back)
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 01:41:30 AM by SW » Logged
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 01:53:33 AM »

AFAIR Support for HP 1005 came in  HPLIP 2.7.12 version. That is, the printer must to work in pardus too.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 02:09:07 AM »

Don´t blame Linux, blame the printer manufactures!

YEP! But (AFAIR again) HP 1005 out for a long time and now did not produced and not supported by HP Sad

John A: There http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/HP there are a lot of new printers are fully supported under Linux!  Smiley
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John A
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 05:15:17 AM »

Thanks.

Will not buy a new printer for a time. But good to know wich of them will work with Linux,
Why can they not mark that on the HP boxes? Put the tux symbol on the models that are Linux adapted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux

Creative Live Cams do that, they write "works with Linux" on the package:
http://www.creative.com/mylivecam/

Then it veary easy to find one product who fits Linux. Smiley You not need to spend hours at internet and look.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2011, 08:52:39 AM »

hi john a,

thanks for your interesting contribution, again. haven't read all the links, but will do when i've got some more time.
till now i've had good experiences with a hp laserjet 1018 (and a hp photosmart). they worked out of the box with several penguins.
alas the hp laserjet 1018 doesn't seem to work out of the box with pardus kurumsal 2, my default os.

for commercial reasons, i believe, most computer hardware is manufactured for two parties only/mainly.
so, the biggest problems are the closed source drivers, again... (or: as usual).

maybe the linux community should start working together in order to develop hardware that is made by their recommendations, focused on open source.

this way the open source world could, and should, take matters into its own hands and start 'negotiating' with hardware manufacturers themselves, no longer being dependent of what companies behind the scenes do or don't allow...
next step could be to sell them as an penguin certified brand (with tux logo, if torvalds agrees to that).
a bit more commercial marketing wouldn't harm the open source world at all, i think.
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John A
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2011, 12:36:36 PM »

I suppose on of the reasons are that Linux still are to small if you compare to Apple/Mac for example.If they got maybe around 5% of the market manufactors would be more interested in this things.
Maybe it will be a change if Ubuntu would get 200 million users?
http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/05/goal-is-200-million-ubuntu-users-in-4.html

I hope it be so. I am not sure if Mandriva,Pardus or any other distribution have that kind of resources as Ubuntu in this aspect.
If they succed it be more easy for the other distributions also. And its necessary to cooporate with LSB for all Linux distributions: Smiley
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2011, 13:18:16 PM »

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I am not sure if Mandriva, Pardus or any other distribution have that kind of resources as Ubuntu in this aspect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_Ltd.
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John A
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2011, 10:46:35 AM »

I have solved my printer problems. Looked for a laser/color printer that are not to expensive. And I find one model that fits my needs:
http://www.netonnet.se/art/dator/skrivare-och-scanner/skrivare/laserskrivare/samsung-clp-325w/137358.4116/

So I bought it. I want it to work with Windows and Linux without trouble (will use it with Windows 7) but possible in future with Linux to.
And I saw it got 3 penguins:
http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-CLP-325w

Got a wireless function to but I dont realy need that since got a place for it beside the PC. Smiley

And for my old Samsung ML-1640 (still works fine but got no colour) I will take it to my other PC that got Ubuntu now.I will replace Ubuntu/Unity with Pardus 2011.1 there because I know that printer work fine with Pardus:
http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-1640

I will not have much use for my HP "problem" printer then of course, so I guess I will put it in the cellar/store for someone who might need it one day. I dont realy think I get much for it if try to sell it. I not pay much for it myself. Smiley

Anyway the result is that I soon got a PC installed with Pardus again.
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2011, 17:56:10 PM »

I think if I buy a printer it will be a used one.  My husband has the HP all in one printer 1170C that he got for free from his landlord and it works the best with Linux - after you figure out how to set it up.  It uses a parallel port.  I still have my Canon Pixma iP3000 USB  model, and when I go to WalMart, I see what looks like the same thing, another Canon model, for $27.00. My 4 year old Canon cost $80.00.  I had to order it as at that time WalMart only carried HP and Lexmark.  Didn't Waf say that Kodak was making printers now and that they were Linux complaint? 
The minus is that I can't print photo's with my printer in Linux as the colours are orange and dark.  Otherwise, it prints colour web pages fine.   I will have to give Turboprint a  trial period to see if it will print photos in Linux.
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John A
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2011, 18:40:04 PM »

It can go long time before I print anything, thats why I prefeer laserprinters. Many of the ink printers works bad if you wait a long time before you print something. Red color goes yellow and so on. They got some cleaning programs but it not always work. And replace the ink are expensive to. Almost as expensive as a new printer in some cases.

If I want photos I just send in some digital files to fujifilm or a similar company and order the paperphotos home. Smiley
http://www.fujidirekt.se/
http://www.smartphoto.co.uk/
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