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« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2012, 09:23:35 AM »

I think the same way as John A.
I also distrohop so much, also did the last week again (Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, OpenSuse, etc),
but there is just only "everything-work-out-of-the-box' distro, and that is Pardus.
And not only that, it is special. Based on itself (so no Debian, etc) and development by a
government (what every other government in the world should copy) so no commercial behind it.

But there is just one way to stop the rumors. Give an official message, even it is short. Just a message
with the plans (and they already got them in 3 months, if not, then they never will get them).
And if, in the bad scenario, they stop with the Pardus project, give it to some other government in this
world who is interest in it and like to take over the development.
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« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2012, 09:53:55 AM »

I are not just Pardus who got problem. I think around 2008/2009 it was a lot more interest for Linux in general.
But now it are almost dead:
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/the-linux-desktop-is-dead-long-live-the-linux-desktop/9562

Mandriva are in a similar situation to:
http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/238291/mandriva-danger-closing-its-doors

And I will not be suprised if we see more distributins going down.
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« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2012, 10:27:39 AM »

I not think Pardus has this kind of problems. That is why Pardus is so special. It is not commercial or has commercial intentions.
Pardus is develop by the Turkish government. The problem right now is that some people in the government probably not
see the value of Pardus. If they see it they never reorganize the project. Every little development they do in Pardus will be
payed back.
If they stop the Pardus development they need to buy Windows or OSX license, and also license of other software.
And then you talk about millions of license every year again (and millions of Euro's every year that only will be good for a few
companies and people who work at those companies). So what is cheaper and has more value in the end?
And if they play is wise there should be more commercial about Pardus, because it is not only Turkey who can use the value
of Pardus, but every country on this planet can use it. And that all because of the Turkey people. What more good news you
want as a country?
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« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2012, 10:41:30 AM »

I think Microsoft can have influence in Turkey to:
http://www.sanayi.gov.tr/NewsDetails.aspx?newsID=2247&lng=en

Who know what deals they will have with the goverment there?
With all their money and resources, they can probaly invest in some projects there
And I suppose it can have some impact in the Pardus project to.
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« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2012, 10:58:00 AM »

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But now it are almost dead
The good thing is that the Linux Community don´t care about such articles.
BTW in 2012 will be the end of the world. I found so many articles in internet about that so it must be true!  Roll Eyes


Personally I dont see Linux is going down!
Linux Visitors on Wikimedia statistic:  ( http://stats.wikimedia.org/archive/squid_reports )
Month    Year  --> Linux   - Android = Linux Desktop
October 2009 --> 1,51% - 0,03%   = 1,48%
October 2010 --> 2,02% - 0,48%   = 1,54%
October 2011 --> 3,48% - 1,95%   = 1,53%


Pardus is also not perfect. I see a lot of sections that needs improvements so imho Mageia is really an alternative because to have full media support all You have to do is to enable "unfree" and "tainted" repo in package manager and everything is done. Not really a problem!  Cool

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And I will not be suprised if we see more distributins going down.
This is life! A continous circle of birth and death. Nothing is forever. Not even an OS  Wink


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Very interesting - thanks for that! Maybe there is really some influence because of devil M$.   Lips Sealed
 
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« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2012, 11:14:12 AM »

If i read this article then i really got the feeling that the pardus project not will survive  Sad

Also the Fatih project is named here (http://www.pardusworld.com/project-fatih-and-pardus) so
that also not look good for Pardus.

Why do that politics never get where it really goes about?

Update:
Good news ... Pardus is still alive and kicking
http://lists.pardus.org.tr/pardus-announce/2012-January/000146.html
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« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2012, 14:38:31 PM »

About full media support I think Pardus and Linux Mint are the best. Smiley

But Ubuntu are not to difficult.

Step 1:
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-restricted-extras-in-ubuntu11-04-natty-narwhal-commonly-used-applications-with-restricted-copyright-mp3avimpegtrue-typejavaflashcodecs.html

Step 2:
https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video-dvd.html

Then all things work. But for a newcomer to Linux all this is not so easy of course.
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« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2012, 15:07:11 PM »

About full media support I think Pardus and Linux Mint are the best. Smiley

I recently added Kororaa (the "Linux Mint" from Fedora so to say) to this shortlist, Pardus being #1
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« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2012, 15:29:31 PM »

Here is new announcement;

http://liste.pardus.org.tr/pardus-announce/2012-January/000146.html
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« Reply #69 on: January 18, 2012, 15:44:12 PM »

Thank you for this news.
Here, in Russia, we have started the new site.
But look at distrowatch. Where is marketing?
Where is promotion?
And where are images for our new site?  Wink
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« Reply #70 on: January 18, 2012, 18:46:41 PM »

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TÜBİTAK plans to arrange a workshop entitled   "Future of Pardus". This workshop's aim is to determine the future of Pardus  and work on the the technical roadmap of the distribution.

Lets hope that they will make the right decisions. I cross my fingers!
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« Reply #71 on: January 18, 2012, 20:59:14 PM »

and meanwhile we still can count on security updates and sumsuch? Grin

hé, and wasn't there an enterprise edition too? something named kurumsal?
nah, can't be, wouldn't be professional to deal with an enterprise os this way...   Tongue
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« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2012, 05:28:41 AM »

Atleast a official message. But as Linux as general it remains about the same:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201012-201112
(and the fiasco Windows Vista is still larger than Mac Os)

I not think it be much difference in 2012.

Much attention will be focused at Windows 8 speculations and articles this year:
http://www.thetechlabs.com/tech-news/windows-8-features/

So any Linux news will "drown" in all Windows 8 related articles and media attention.
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« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2012, 19:23:16 PM »

Atleast a official message. But as Linux as general it remains about the same:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201012-201112
(and the fiasco Windows Vista is still larger than Mac Os)

I not think it be much difference in 2012.

Much attention will be focused at Windows 8 speculations and articles this year:
http://www.thetechlabs.com/tech-news/windows-8-features/

So any Linux news will "drown" in all Windows 8 related articles and media attention.

May be, but not in Russia. I am a developer in a very large company.
We are moving from windows-only to cross-platform development.
And this is for partners from other countries.
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« Reply #74 on: January 19, 2012, 19:53:09 PM »

I'm just a glorified linux user,with a taste for old industrial computers and I've had linux on machines that have NEVER been serviced by microsoft.

Pfft to secure boot
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