Roadmap Pardus-Anka

[jasperodus]

You can help with communication, let the world knows that Pardus still excists.

I posted a quick comment (#8) over at Distrowatch this Monday:

8 • An appeal for an endangered species, (by Antony on 2012-06-18 11:33:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
The recent fracturing of the official project and the lack of any clear official direction/information has seen a corresponding plummeting down, and out of the Distrowatch top 100 hits per day chart, with Pardus now being listed as dormant.

A lot of people will by now 'accept' that Pardus (as we knew it) is no more. A lot of enthusiastic ex-users will have moved on.

Yes, there is still an official project, but its immediate focus is on the corporate side. There is though, a passionate community-driven effort which is focused on the 'desktop/home' Pardus. But I think they could benefit from some publicity; for people to be aware of the current situation and the actual work that has so far been achieved and to try to attract more support/volunteers.

Perhaps the more than casual ex-users of Pardus will still be keeping an eye on things anyway, and there may not be much of a target audience - I don't know. But one of the hurdles (biggest?) for developers and prospective users of a particular project is language/communication and I think at this 'embryonic' phase there is a lot of activity going on in the 'shell' - but not fully broadcast to the outside world, or even to fairly close observers.

Anyway, hope you don't mind me posting this but I think the future of one of the most promising and innovative distributions of recent years (to my mind at least), is important. Pardus is not 'just another respin' - it was its own distro and demonstrated real innovation and great quality and attention to detail and I think it would therefore be a real loss to Linux if Pardus disappeared.

Perhaps some readers might consider to check out the Pardus Worldforum? They really could use some help.

Thanks.

And my idea is to start with some kind of committee. Then we do a chat on IRC and distribute some tasks.

My idea the committee consists of: dschzz, yusuf, atolboo, a.palius, pantera, anglo, erdem, dirse, jasperodus and me.

So next week we plan a chat on IRC, and let we just make start then

Yes, best to just try and get the ball rolling. I have to repeat though that I have no particular relevant ability - and I would hate to think I might deprive someone better equipped to contribute. But, if you (and others) are happy, and think that I can contribute... then, yes, I would like to try and help. And hopefully, if things do progress, then at some point someone better suited would come along and replace me.

[dschzz]

The contact I have with the Anka-group take place via pantera.

But so far they not have any roadmap. Hamit of the Anka-group also says that they not have
enough manpower to release some kind of roadmap like Dirse place on this world-forum.

You can help with communication, let the world knows that Pardus still excists.

And my idea is to start with some kind of committee. Then we do a chat on IRC and distribute some tasks.

My idea the committee consists of: dschzz, yusuf, atolboo, a.palius, pantera, anglo, erdem, dirse, jasperodus and me.

  Cool 

So next week we plan a chat on IRC, and let we just make start then

IRC, that's good. At which time? I'm working during week days and tend to come home late, often around 20:00 (local time). Would someone still be around by then?

Also, I'm reading documentations here and there, learning things...
  I found something I'd like to avoid: Packaging. I just hate that dreaded xml 
  About the Python-2 / Python-3 issue: It's hardly existing. According to the Python home page, it's true that Python-3 will be the future and Python-2 will not get really new features - but - Python-2 is yet much better supported and will be supported for "more than the usual 2 years" while Python-3 is beginning to get mature. So there is no need to rush porting the Pardus tools to Python-3. Even better: There are two converter tools for porting from Python-2 to Python-3.
Conclusion:
- We have time.
- This looks much more doable than I thought it would be.
- Perhaps it's even possible without Python experts  (YES!)

Let's have some fun 

[richdb]

@jasperodus, If you can contribute messages like this on Distrowatch, we are very happy with you

@all, I think the most of us are from Europe? So then a time around 21:00 or 22:00 CEST, wednesday 27 june? I know that Anglo from Canada will also be there on that time

 

[atolboo]

I found something I'd like to avoid: Packaging. I just hate that dreaded xml 

My advice: Use PiSiDo and you almost do not have to bother about .xml and can concentrate on actions.py.
It makes life much easier

[dschzz]

@all, ... So then a time around 21:00 or 22:00 CEST, wednesday 27 june?

Perfect.

My advice: Use PiSiDo and you almost do not have to bother about .xml and can concentrate on actions.py.
It makes life much easier

Heh, thanks I'll have a look at it later on.

[atolboo]

...... I'll have a look at it later on.

A manual is at http://huseyinkozan.com.tr/en/how-to-make-a-pisi-package-with-pisido
Or just start using it and have fun
From the creator (huseyinkozan is also registered as PiSi-Packaging at pardususer.de)

PiSiDo : This is my own project. It is a simple packager like PisiYap. I am working on a new release. 19/08/2011

[Anglo]

To day I received this message

"Hi, yes I made the changes.
I change the subject of the chat-room to Pardus Anka, and point the official website to this forurm, and added the Anka bug tracker.
I suppose it's enough for now.

Feel free to announce the availability of this chat room.  Perhaps some people will be interested in..  : ) "

Details:

* pardus-fr@chat.jabberfr.org a changé le sujet pour : Pardus Anka
* Official website: http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl
* Bug tracker: http://anka.pardus-linux.org
* French website : http://www.pardus.fr (soon)

To use , goto :  http://chat.jabberfr.org/muckl_int/index.php?room=pardus-fr ( it expects a nickname/ Pseudonyme )
After you press " enter " , you will be in the chat room.


Enjoy
anglo

[richdb]

Thanks Anglo

I also created a new IRC channel on freenode, #pardus-world.
The meeting will be in this channel be on wednesday june 27, 22:00 CEST.

[richdb]

I look around a bit and find out that there is, or was, a Dutch Pardus UserGroup
http://www.nllgg.nl/sig_pug
It is part of the association "Nederlands Linux Gebruikers Groep (Dutch Linux Users Group)",
maybe we can operate under this subgroup.
I send a mail to the NLLGG, and see what they answer.

[Anglo]

c) Lawyers in The Netherlands/Germany: I can find them myself but probably they will ask for money. And maybe they won't know anything about Linux/Pardus. So, I ask you to get me in contact with a lawyer (Pardus user) in the Netherlands and/or in Germany.

Perhaps talking to the Free Software Foundation is in order......

This is too technical for me. I can use "Kopete" (default in Pardus). But I don't know anything else about instant messaging, cyber-chatting, etc. Please someone tell me the exact directions for IRC Freenode, etc.
I really want to join you on June 27.
dirse@yalcin.gen.tr

The current version of Kopete is unable to work with IRC, to the best of my knowledge
I suggest using pidgin , or perhaps Xchat.


For those who may find this undesirable , use this browser accessible link :  http://webchat.freenode.net/
in "channels" , input #pardus-world ( exactly if you please ), the nickname you choose ( in the appropriate line ) , answer the "recaptcha"
and press "enter"

anglo

Edit: others clients such as Konverstation , irssi , have been brought to my attention

[richdb]

@everybody

My idea about wednesday is to find out if it is possible to continue a Pardus community.
I want to see if anyone looking into the same direction.

Let everybody give his/her idea and this will give a summary.
And this summary will perhaps emerge a few tasks that must be performed by certain people.

It is more intended to be exploratory.

And 2 hours is really the maximum

[dschzz]

Just two bits out of a bigger post:

3) Meeting Reference File: We should all have a cyber-file at handy to "shuffle" through during the meeting.

What is a "cyber-file"? Is it www.cyberfile.de? There I saw: "Alle Dienste stehen Ihnen ab 1€ zur Verfügung." = "All services are available to you beginning at 1€" - They want money for "hosting" small files which they are not even hosting themselves? Not an option. Never for me. Not even for 1ct.

About finding European/Worldwide Pardus user lawyers:
Anglo is right about contacting Free Software Foundation. But I am a bit time-pressed nowadays. I just need simple, quick, friendly, direct, person-to-person acquaintances.
Just give me the names of some lawyers that you personally know outside Turkey who use Pardus and I will contact them through your reference so that maybe we can move quicker.

Huh.  
- Among all people I personally know or knew, there are 0 (zero) lawyers. (*1)
- Among all people I personally know or knew, 3 (*2) are using Linux. Only one of them uses it as a main OS.
- Among all people I personally know or knew, 0 (zero) are using Pardus.
Me excluded, of course.
(*1): Maybe my boss knows a lawyer. But it's unlikely that he knows a lawyer who uses Linux. (not to speak of Pardus.)
(*2): If "Once or twice a year" counts, then 4.

Perhaps somebody can do better than me here, but I would bet that nobody of those who are able & willing to speak up in this forum personally knows a lawyer who uses Linux. Or a lawyer who has a family member or friend who uses Pardus.

And...
Well, what the heck, I can present my ideas about what to do with Pardus right here:
- Make Yali safer and a bit more verbose about what exactly it is going to do.
- Add some "expert options" to Yali (fine tuning for the boot process, file system options, like that).
- Prepare the newest existing Pardus (11.2) as a base for the community version. (*3)
- Make a "hybrid" version of 11.2 that can boot either from DVD or from an USB stick.
- Try to keep somewhat up-to-date with kernel version on kernel.org.
Roughly in that order.
I'm still in the learning phase, but I believe that I can (most likely) do all of this alone. Given some time, that is. A few months at least with no help from anybody else.

(*3): Instead of the older Corporate version. I'm aware that this may fail, but I'd like to try. I assume that, the newer the base is, the less work it may be to get it up-to-date.


(Don't worry. I still have something to say on IRC )

[richdb]

First of all Dirse, cool down.
And second, tomorrow will be just a exploratory chat. An why?

You can develope a car of your dreams, but if you do not have any mechanics there car of your dreams
will never come true.

And this is also the situation we have with Pardus. All the good mechanics walk away? Why? I still have
no idea.

And if I read messages like this from Sezai Yeniay ( the board member of the Turkish community),  I have no idea
how I should think about this:

As you know, It’s announced in January that Pardus 2011, is last individual version of Pardus, is ended its life cycle, it won’t be go on to develop anymore and there won’t be any update for package repository. After that, a lot of people removed Pardus from their systems and moved to alternative distros. Some of us have insisted to use Pardus because we didn’t want to believe what happens. Those stubborns, that does not give up Pardus, owing to the package repositories controlled by pardususer.de, parduslife and pardus-linu.org communities moved on untill today by updating their systems using those repositories.

If I’m not wrong, in january, Erdinç Gültekin (pantera) was the first person that have talked about Anka and an organization is established to continue Pardus by the community. (Facebook pisi farm group) A copy of official repository is uploaded to svn.pardus-linux.org/pardus/2012 and it’s been started to update the packages. One of the most hard working person in that period was dear Hamit Giray Nart. I’ve to mention him.

#Anka was a prealpha release of Pardus 2012 to keep alive the belief of continuity of Pardus. Now, #Anka is aimed to add new properties to Pardus owing to contributors although it’s known as only a package update process. It’s been planning to announce a new iso in this month.

My personal idea is that it’s much more convenient that #Anka move on its way as a Pardus based distro although PKD and PLO heading #Anka work assume that those workings are to supply updated package support to users and build the infrastructure is planned to go on with community support in the interim of re-starting of Pardus by TUBITAK. Because…

[atolboo]

The meeting will be in this channel be on wednesday june 27, 22:00 CEST.

I am (unexpectedly) not at home tonight.

[evowinds]

There are some hot news for you...

The official meeting of advisory board has started and some information about the meeting has been revealed by participants.

Debian and deb packaging issue is almost certain (almost because there is not an official info or meeting result).

And given some info, there is a hot discussion about the Pardus technology and structure.
And our technical representer -developer side- is rejected and the election will be renewed/repeated.
On the other side, TUBİTAK representer is also rejected.


I am disappointed with this news.

Here is the link that shows a photo of the meeting. It is the topic that mentions about the renewal of the election of the developer representer of the community.

http://www.ozgurlukicin.org/forum/gonullu-calismalar-gecici/24685/?page=1