Time will tell

[dschzz]

I begin to wonder why I'm still doing this...

For a business, I would recommend either Suse Enterprise Linux (the famous SEL) http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=sle or Red Hat Enterprise Linux anyway, because for the disadvantage that you need to pay for it, you get professional support.

i did run my business perfectly well with pardus 2009.1, 2009.2, 2011.1 and 2011.2 for the past 3 yrs. they were all free. nowadays some advantage-takers (abusers) are trying to make pardus/anka commercial.

i don't need "professional", individual support from anyone. all i need is an open source: like a "wiki" page, properly organized. there, i can find my own way, with a click here, another there, no matter how long it takes.

Ok. Then there are several possibilities. Alas, AFAIK, none with a Turkish community.

by the way, what does "dschzz" mean? are you a real human? or just a cyber-friend?

I'm not a spam-bot or something similar.

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then, what do you say to this message from Richard De Bruin: ....

That this is A VERY BAD THING and I'm glad that I'm not on that list.

Richard, did you have everybody's permission to post their email adresses here?

only real people can do real things in this world.

Right. But that does not depend on doing it openly.

not some stupid cyber-lists, svn-playgrounds, etc.

Wrong. Very wrong, you should know that most powerful people are not out on the stage. And an svn-playground is not a person (or non-person), it is the working place of a person. What you see there is never the person him/herself, it's what they do and/or have done. Such a playground could even be shared by a small team. There is absolutely no reason to look for the person or persons behind it.

real people, real names, real addresses, no cowards!

Sorry, that's bullshit. Just what do you gain when you know my name?

that's why i always kept pushing for an international organization (association). i kept asking for a lawyer outside turkey who uses pardus and who can get you organized (in Europe, or some other part of this planet, outside turkey). but, no one could find an organizer, a lawyer outside turkey.

Perhaps there are none? Why should a lawyer outside of Turkey use Pardus? Unless he/she is Turkish.

you blame turks for not being organized, but you "foreigners" are no better.

I never did that and I agree in "foreigners" are no better in that respect - even though it is IMHO true that Germans (in average) tend to be relatively organized people. Which does not help in this particular case.

it seems there is no one left in this world who doesn't need a whip on his/her back or a pay-cheque to perform some real, serious, decent business, regardless of nationality, age, education, gender, etc.

Come on. Money is needed for living, so every paid job should have a much higher priority than a hobby project.

[jasperodus]

I begin to wonder why I'm still doing this...

For a business, I would recommend either Suse Enterprise Linux (the famous SEL) http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=sle or Red Hat Enterprise Linux anyway, because for the disadvantage that you need to pay for it, you get professional support.

i did run my business perfectly well with pardus 2009.1, 2009.2, 2011.1 and 2011.2 for the past 3 yrs. they were all free. nowadays some advantage-takers (abusers) are trying to make pardus/anka commercial.

i don't need "professional", individual support from anyone. all i need is an open source: like a "wiki" page, properly organized. there, i can find my own way, with a click here, another there, no matter how long it takes.

Ok. Then there are several possibilities. Alas, AFAIK, none with a Turkish community.

Dirse,

I know it can be a little bit behind the times but have you ever tried MEPIS? It is very stable, and it should do everything that you were/are using Pardus for I believe.

Or, how about PCLinuxOS?

Mageia is coming along nicely, but is still getting itself sorted out.

Btw, my personal top Linux distro events (births) have been: Mandrake, Mepis, PCLinuxOS and Pardus. sidux was also cool - but in a different way, of course.

[richdb]

Richard, did you have everybody's permission to post their email adresses here?

No I did not, but they all are people who wanted (or did) work on a new Pardus.
So I will remove the list if people are freaking out to see a email adress on a list.

[atolboo]

So I will remove the list if people are freaking out to see a email adress on a list.

I don`t agree on this one because of the following reason.
Remove all email adresses on this list as they do not contribute to the purpose of this list.

[willy]

Remove all email adresses on this list as they do not contribute to the purpose of this list

Fully agree with Atolboo

[richdb]

Remove all email adresses on this list as they do not contribute to the purpose of this list.

Depends how you look at a list .. but the list is gone, so stop freaking out

[jasperodus]

Hmm,

I am 50/50 as to whether I want to become more involved around here – or just simply leave.

My problem is that I like Richard. I like Dirse. And I certainly do not hate Nihad/Anka. But I just do not like all the over-reaction.

Richard, I think you could either have said “well, I'll ask if anyone is unhappy to have their email addresses published on that list (but I think I would probably have been pulled up over it by now).” Or, you could have said “ok, I don't see it as a big issue (and I think that it might have been useful to incorporate the contacts), but I'll edit the list to not show any addresses.”

I appreciate. Richard, that you have invested a lot of time and effort generally, and it might seem that you just keep facing obstacles and negativity, but to remove the list entirely was an over-reaction.

I do believe that, at least partly, Nihad/Anka may not have better communicated because of workload and priorities (priorities, as they see them). Richard has argued that Nihad/Anka have found the time to communicate with others and if this is the case, then it is not good. Anyway, I think both Richard and Nihad could benefit from (locally) offloading certain responsibilities and sharing their burdens.

Dirse, Who are the 'cowards'? People who lurk in an IRC who (for whatever reason) wish to remain completely anonymous under a nickname such as 'spectator'?

However, if you are referring to or are including dschzz, then I have to say: firstly, dschzz is concerned about his personal security and privacy and he has every right (and is sensible) to take precautions. I know it might make it a bit more personal if you are 'speaking' with someone on 'first name' terms – and that's nice.

But secondly, that I believe a person can be 'known' via his words (and actions). And in that manner, I consider that I 'know' dschzz - and know that dschzz is no more a coward than the rest of us. Rather, I have formed the opinion that he is an honest and open person, with sound principles.

In addition, even though I have been 'open' in providing my real name as Antony.....how do you know that I have not provided a 'false' real name?

Regarding your IT friend and his asking what sets Pardus apart, I would have offered more than the example of PiSi. For me, the ultimate appeal of Pardus is the 'Intelligence' at the its heart: It is an 'intelligent' distro. This is the result of a certain intelligence used by its creators in questioning and evaluating existing methods, to determine if things could be improved and simplified.

You then end up with not just PiSi, but Comar, Mudur, Yali, and Kaptan, along with the general interface/attention to detail/stability.

So, the 'Intelligence'. That for me, is the real beauty and attraction - and the definition of what Pardus actually means, or represents. And it strikes a chord in me.

Sure, other distros display particular innovations and such, but Pardus embraced the idea more completely....and they kept on improving. I just wonder what, potentially, Pardus could have ultimately become. What was its Achilles-heel? Communication.

[richdb]

First of all I just like/love Pardus because it just did work for me.
I try to find people who wanted to make a kind of fork, but in the last month the most people just find an other distro or an other way.
And that list, it was already availible on 31 january 2012 http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=4312.msg23763#msg23763 by acjohnson, and he is also gone

Oh, and the Anka group (still do not know who they are) never ever did react on a normal way on my messages on WF or Facebook. And if they now concentrate totaly on Anka and not that the corporate edition become a Debian distro, then maybe something nice will come out of Anka. Now it is just an other repo, and so far I can see there are no intentions (maybe in words but not in proof) that the Pardus tools like PISI, KAPTAN, YALI, etc are developed by others.

So for me, I tried it, I am in waiting mode and till that time I enjoy an other disto. That is also the power of Linux

[evowinds]

I am happy for you Richard, but i want to know which distro you are using?
End how do you enjoy it, I really wonder

[atolboo]

Just to inform you: Mageia at this moment
At this moment I still use Pardus.
And when Anka is not getting to a released state and I can start making additional packages for it , it's my current replacement.

[evowinds]

Thanks atolboo,
Maybe i also give it a try...
But nowadays 64 bit Anka is enough for me.

[willy]

Mageia is nice, I use it also now.

[atolboo]

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[evowinds]

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[saygili]

Hi Dirse,

What is the benefit of this polling here?  I did not get it. If Pardus will die, everybody will choose his/her own linux/bsd distribution.

But really I did not get why we are voting here. May be someone will tell you I will use Solaris 11 for cloud architecture!!!

Would you please explain why you needed such a topic? May be I can get your point.

Best Regards,

Murat