Time will tell

[jasperodus]

Good luck to all - I'm leaving. I'd never really gotten involved in any forum till now, but I think I'll give it a miss.

[dschzz]

Good luck to all - I'm leaving. I'd never really gotten involved in any forum till now, but I think I'll give it a miss.

Hope to see/read you once in a while, in one place or another!

[Michiel]

obviously the spirit of Pardus has gone, not only the project itself is a misty phenomenon nowadays, but also the always friendly and helpfull atmosphere in these forums has suddenly disappeared which is a pity.   

Personally I will be leaving as well. As Pardus is such a solid distro I am still using it, but I will not install a newer version and probably also change to Mageia, this is just not going to work. Somehow the people in Tutkey who do so well on preparing such a geat distro manage to cut down every enthusiastic attempt of international users to make the best of it and spread it to a wider audience, obviously it is just not meant to be. Each and every time we just have to wait what news comes from Turrkey, and despite repeated request there also have never stepped forward a number of people bridging the gap by tranlstaing all relevant news from Turkish to english or German.

As for this specific thread:

Like in any forum it is the responsibility of all forum members to create an atmosphere with respect for each other. However I guess the subject of this thread is quite a sensitive one and not anyone likes to speculate on distro's other then Pardus whilst others are still working hard to keep Pardus alive.

Perhaps it is better to focus on Pardus here and if you (like me) are slowly waving Pardus goodbye not to start discussions about aother distro's here but just decide for yourself and see who you meet in forums elsewhere wherever you end up.

The discussion here is too fierce in my opinion, and that's the result of conflicting preferences rather then of single person(s), let's cool down here and leave this topic for the moment.

[daves]

for me the most uncomfortable thing is is the lack of news about the anka project. In turkish there are a lot of discussion but in english are few (or i haven't found it).

[dschzz]

obviously the spirit of Pardus has gone, not only the project itself is a misty phenomenon nowadays, ...

Perhaps/hopefully the spirit still exist...

... but also the always friendly and helpfull atmosphere in these forums has suddenly disappeared which is a pity.  

...just not here anymore.

for me the most uncomfortable thing is is the lack of news about the anka project. In turkish there are a lot of discussion but in english are few (or i haven't found it).

The lack of messages could very well mean that everybody is working hard for the 30th August and that they are too busy to spend time on dropping info in a place where the Pardus spirit is no longer present. This is bad for us=PWF, but it may be a good sign altogether, in several respects.

I will surely wait until the 30th of August (plus a few days) before even considering to drop Pardus. The Anka team is just on the brink of a big step. I have hope and trust. Once ANKA is out in the wild and well established, translations could be added.

Perhaps it is better to focus on Pardus here and if you (like me) are slowly waving Pardus goodbye not to start discussions about aother distro's here but just decide for yourself and see who you meet in forums elsewhere wherever you end up.

YAY! I fiercely subscribe to that!!

[Michiel]

for me the most uncomfortable thing is is the lack of news about the anka project. In turkish there are a lot of discussion but in english are few (or i haven't found it).

The lack of messages could very well mean that everybody is working hard for the 30th August and that they are too busy to spend time on dropping info in a place where the Pardus spirit is no longer present. This is bad for us=PWF, but it may be a good sign altogether, in several respects

I am sorry: too easy IMO.... (one does not want to be in a waiting room like wainting for Ms Windows 2012 or something to happen, one wants to be part of something...)

my point regarding this respect refers to Pardus so far (from the beginning, not only this very moment), there has really been almost NO investment (from the core-development side, lots of enthusiastic users abroad have give it a try so far, but the bridge is still lacking) in building a wider community at all; still waiting for that day, and as long as I have not replaced Pardus on  my system I am still in for a surprise for the better from the Turkish side.

it is not only about developing it is also about sharing (and ultimately within ones capabilities co-creating)...! IMO a heavily neglected part of the job so far as Pardus development concerns (not just now)....

[Anglo]

+ 1

[daves]

My problem isn't the lack of message, but the lack of internationalization. I know that anka team is working hard and i hope they may release a "stable-enough" .iso for the first days of september. I  don't want to abandon pardus, at least not as long as there is hope

[dschzz]

+1


Edit, a few minutes later: The original Pardus was an all Turkish distribution... When did some internationalization even creep in?

Anyway, at this point, and taking into account that the PWF community was of rather little help and more of a PITA, and taking into account that there is a rather active Turkish community, I fully understand that the Anka team has more important things to do than to inform us.

But that may change when ANKA is out of the door AND we (or rather not only a few of us) can prove to be helpful. That's what I think & hope.

[richdb]

First of all, I try to post this on holiday with bad wifi and on my cellphone.
So not look at bad words and auto-correct words.
@Dirse, let everybody think and say what he/she want to say and think. We together are the WF community and we respect each  other. If Pardus or Ankara not made it, this community will still be there with all the people of this community. So not yellow or disrespect members of your own community. You are also one of this community, and we also respect you like you have to respect every member of the WF.

@jasperodus, come back we miss you and we need you to be one of the community. We need your ideas and knowledge.

@all, as Michiel say above. Let this forum stay the way is allways have been. A good place to chat and communicatie with each other. Even if it is not Pardus related :-)


I now gonna sit in the sun for the next couple of days. Speak with you soon .. oh and b

[TicoLinux]

Pardus ANKA have .iso right now, download here
 
http://anka.pardus-linux.org/QA/pardus2012-2.iso

[Dirse Yalçın]

Dear WF people,

Let's not deceive ourselves and waste each others' time. The truth is that Pardus is dead.

There is a line between dreaming (which is fine) and over-dreaming (which is a disaster).

1) TUBITAK said "I'm out!" about 6 months ago.

2) Then came the ANKA volunteers, who seemed "okay" by that time.

3) According to enki (Nihad Karsli - head of ANKA?!), first, it was the Mothers' Day back in May 13th 2012, then it was the June 2nd, then it was the 30th August (great Turkish army victory against the Brits, Greeks, etc. back in 1922).

4) Now, enki makes new promises about 9th September (re-conquest of Izmir (Smyrna) by the Turks in 1922 & "pouring" of the Anatolian Greeks into the Aegean Sea as some nationalist Turks depict), 29th October (announcement of the new Turkish Republic after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire). We can't go anywhere with these nationalistic approaches, historical hates, within the Linux community. Greeks, Spaniards, Italians, Portuguese, Turks, Armenians, Kurds, Iranians, Americans, English, French, German, etc., basic population worldwide, are all jobless, unemployed (i.e., out of cash), against the globalist monetary emperors & their culprits. We can't afford to hate each other for stupid historical reasons.

5) In the meantime, over the past month, TUBITAK got re-involved and came out with Pardus-Debian, Pardus-Corporate, etc. This messed-up the Pardus community even further.

I only care about the Linux community worldwide.

1) We must UNITE to survive.
2) We must get more ORGANIZED to reach end (home) users, simple people worldwide, millions, billions.

Just before he left this Worldforum, jasperodus recommended "Mageia". Reading his lines, I think jasperodus was the person in this forum with the greatest common sense & humility. So I follow him.

(For Turks who cannot speak a foreign language, there is a Turkish version of Mageia (like some other distros, Ubuntu, LinuxMint, etc.). The point is to get united.)

Turks may be left a little behind in math, science, etc. But they can catch up if they act in good faith and follow order. Order & discipline is necessary if you really want to achieve something, get a job done. Translation is no problem.

Conclusion:
1) Close-up this Worldforum by end of 2012.
2) Migrate to Mageia forum all together.
3) I am not forcing Mageia on anyone. I just request their contribution to Mageia. I know there are many Linux experts in this group who can handle & juggle many distros simultaneously. They can help out with many distros.
4) I hope that in the future Mageia, LinuxMint, Ubuntu, etc. all those can unite.
5) I think having around a dozen Linux distros is sufficient for now. No one needs a couple of hundred.
6) Eventually, we might have a couple of distros. Only then we (Linux community) can accomplish real worldwide popularity, recognition, usage -- and bring down monetary empires.

[enki]

This is a schizophrenic still here?

[daves]

If i want a KDE-centric distro my choise is chakra (or opensuse).
If i want a GNOME-centric distro my choise is elementaryOS (or fedora).
If mandriva will rise again i can do some thought about it.
Mageia is my latest choice. It's team is so mind-close.
I hope anka will born soon .

[saygili]

Hello Enki,

Why you are still disturbing Dirse Yalçın. I think you have lots of important things to do before releasing Anka distribution. Why you are wasting your time?

First you have to get rid of the name Pardus and switch to Anka.

Second you have to prepare web page for Anka distribution.

Third you have to declare the road map of Anka distribution.

Fourth there should be the name of developers and packagers who is working on this distribution.

Fifth there should be bug tracing system.

Sixth it should be open everyone who wants to give support.

Seventh You have to identfy what is missing in Anka, what should be developed.

As you see there are lots of things to do. Do not get me wrong. I am not supporting anyone. But we have to do these to have stable and long term running release. Otherwise Anka will not last long. Currently I am giving support to Anka as tester.

But please take in to account our oppinions. Anka is currently like a magic box. We do not know anything about it. There should be a relase note. What will be the kernel version? What is the release number of kde? etc.

Please think about these. I do not want to break anybodys hearth but these are the facts.

Best Regards,

Murat