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Lisa
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« on: July 01, 2012, 17:44:21 PM »

Want to know what is great and not so great about Pardus, as sometimes I forget and take Pardus for granted after using it for so many years now.  Go and look up reviews on Pardus 2007, 2008 and 2009 releases and you'll get an idea. 
 
{I can sum up the main reason I tried Pardus in the first place was PiSi and how it only needed to download parts of an update without having to retrieve the entire update package.  Being on dial up, this meant time-saver for me.  I think by now other distros are using this method, or maybe some were at the time PiSi was created, but not the ones I was trying)

http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2009/07/23/pardus-linux-2009/
Comment #19 'for kids'
(that's one of the other main things that attracted me to Pardus, the artwork.  I must be a kid, at heart!)

What I kept seeing repeated from reviewers: ran out of box, no problem with codec or flash, installer not boring, not another debian or fedora knockoff, surprise of the elegant well-done desktop look,

 
indepth summary of Pardus
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/elibrary/case/new-kid-block-turkish-pardus-linux-distribution-0

According to link above, the inception in 2003 Pardus project consisted of four people!  and another snippet of interest, 'UEKAE\'s charter statement has national technological independence, security and cost savings as the main goals. Pardus is related to all these goals, thus it is very natural for UEKAE to support Pardus”.  and, what I think is one thing of importance is Turkish localization, 'This national project is Turkey\'s contribution to the variety of GNU/Linux distributions. But more important for the sponsors and project, Pardus gives Turkish GNU/Linux users language independence. Developers in the project managed to customize and integrate the Zemberek Turkish natural language processing software with Pardus so that users have access to Turkish spell checking and grammar facilities in their word processing (OpenOffice), text and chat (Kopete), Calendar (kontact), and emailing (Mailman) software.'
It also mentions funding.  Will we have donations as after all, running a server isn't cheap, all the eye-strain, brain strain is hard work on the developers.)

customisable Kaptan, versatile Tasma control centre
http://bulletspawn.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/pardus-2008-review/
(I would like to see Tasma kept, though don't know if it only works in KDE 3.5.10 as it was available in the Corporate Edition.  KDE settings are numerous, and Tasma simplified it.)

Simple to use, 'granny can work with Pardus without problems'
http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3075127327.html

'What is the point of this distro? What are the goals?...Are the devs trying to unseat the big dogs like Ubuntu or Fedora...'
http://fosswire.com/post/2008/07/pardus-2008-review/
(Diversity is a good thing)

'I'm absolutely furious that supporting Pardus means adding a new package format.'
http://www.planetoss.com/reviews/pardus-2008-rc1-great-distro-ahead/
(I for one like this about Pardus.  Two main distros, two main packaging formats, to me means all eggs in one basket, as the saying goes.  Not good.  Diversity is good, having more choices is good.  I think of the tree farms in the state os Arkansas.  They are all planted in one type of hybrid Pine.  If the conditions were right, it would only take one disease or one insect to wipe them all out.

For Pardus 2011, the main problem I kept seeing crop up was wireless connection not working, and time it took to port packages from previous Pardus version to newest release.   
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2012, 00:27:55 AM »

(Germans fighting the Dutch, .....).
This ^^^ is 100% nonsense Wink
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2012, 09:13:45 AM »

(Germans fighting the Dutch, .....).
This ^^^ is 100% nonsense Wink
Thank you Smiley I was wondering what Dirse could mean. Smiley
As far as as I noticed, nobody was fighting anybody else or any nationality.
Disagreeing with a certain opinion should be OK as long as it's not impolite and I did not notice anything offending in recent posts. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 18:16:11 PM »

Yes, this is all new to me in what is taking place, so it is kind of bewildering as I don't know how the process is done, and I'm not good at decision making.
I posted the above as it is my way of saying what I would like to see in Pardus.  If you asked me directly, I would have gotten tongue tied. 
And if I had to vote for a name, it would be Toros or Coruh, the former being a mountain, and the latter being a northeastern valley in Turkey that sees lots of migration of birds, lots of diverse plants and animals.  I'd like to see the name be a Turkish word, not a Greek word.  Latin is okay.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2012, 18:31:03 PM »

(Germans fighting the Dutch, .....).
This ^^^ is 100% nonsense Wink

Agreed atolboo.

Is this partly a language thing getting in the way a bit?

It also caused a little bit of a stir when Dirse posed the question: “Why are the Germans causing problems to Richard?”. I am thinking that this was probably more to do with language, rather than (as intimated by SW) Dirse actually believing that Richard's efforts were being de-railed or anything like that.

I think 'causing problems to Richard', probably (as I interpreted it when I read it), meant to convey: (1) disappointment that the general feedback from the German forum regarding Richard's ideas was not what Dirse expected or hoped for. (2) Mainly, though, I think the motivation behind the comment from Dirse was the fact that some of the remarks directed towards Richard unfortunately became a little bit personal.

The reality (and I would like to believe that Dirse feels the same) is that, of course, no verbal 'fighting' actually took place between members of the German/Dutch forums. Anyway, we should all recognize our unity: regardless of what distro we might or might not use – we use Linux.

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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2012, 19:23:27 PM »


With all respect,

Donation issue came up recently at Ozgurlukicin.Org also:
http://www.ozgurlukicin.org/forum/haberler/24628/?page=11#post165791"


A re-occurring question this is, ex : http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=2534.0 , and this : http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3495.msg17839#msg17839

"And, pantera replied, in sum: "We don't need money, just keep up the good spirit, like you have all been doing."
http://www.ozgurlukicin.org/forum/haberler/24628/?page=11#post165792

For donations, we need an association (legal technicalities)."


Agreed , eventually , lets do it right and  proper.
"Free as in beer" or "free as in freedom " , either is expensive to maintain , and it seems , easy to loose

"Although I am angry with the only two related associations that I know on this planet, PKD (Turkish Pardus Users' Association) and LKD (Turkish Linux Users' Association) for their passivity during this whole ordeal, pantera says (see above link) these two Turkish associations have actually been helping Anka seriously, logistically (hardware, servers, etc.)."

I am of divided minds on this , favors implies favors and obligations, this can "muddy the waters" in regards to "intellectual properties"
( this is a legal concept afaik ) and control.

"This is why I like my people. They don't care about money. The only problem is that they cannot get organized that quickly, too much confusion & chaos, unnecessary doubts in their minds. Too patient  "

Sounds as if the confusion was deliberately caused  , no ?
and no patience is as bad as too patient

"Not to mention the Worldwide community, to be thousands (!?) some claim, who neither can get their act together and form an international association (Germans fighting the Dutch, etc.)."

I am a registered ( if mostly silent ) member on most forums , and I assure you , "thousands " is an exaggeration , hundreds perhaps, and fewer who are vocal.

and in all those forums , the only screaming/fighting/shouting I have seen is on facebook.
   
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2012, 02:36:38 AM »

I speak neither Dutch nor German. I mainly relied on below messages (there were even others at this Worldforum which I couldn't easily spot right now):

From richdb?: "What about the guys over at pardususer.de? They are much larger. They also seem pretty skilled and dedicated. Could they take on that role perhaps?" (see below link, quote within quote).
http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=4375.msg24586#msg24586

From richdb: "Yes, and now we have as community the chance to influence, what a couple of users of pardususer.de allways wanted, and now they are so negative. I not get  that, they not even give it a try." (see below link)
http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=4375.msg24587#msg24587

Also from dschzz: "I got the impression from the German forum that they are not in the mood to help in any way." (see below link)
http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=4375.msg24596#msg24596

There are other similar messages.

So call it German versus Dutch, or German versus richdb, whatever... If we lose richdb at this stage our motion will be set-back terribly. Then, probably I will also go on holiday.

We don't even have an AGENDA for our meeting on 4 July Wed CET 22.00 via Freenode #pardus-world:
http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=4409.0

Where is/are the Old Wolf/Wolves? We NEED an agenda A.S.A.P.

@Anglo: What is "a pita in general"?

PITA= Pain
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           Ass

 Grin
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 14:56:13 PM »

PITA= Pain
            In
           The
           Ass
 Grin
Well, reference.com suggests words like pizza, pide, pitta, pasta, etc. in various languages.
I was afraid to have mistaken it as "puta" in Spanish  Shocked
Thanks for the clarification anyway  Cheesy


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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 15:57:29 PM »

I speak neither Dutch nor German. I mainly relied on below messages
I think it goes wrong when you have to rely on external massages.
We are all a collection of individuals who have a certain nationality and speak/write a certain (or multiple) language(s).
And I put a  Huh? with some of the quotes I read.
In my opinion this is valid for both this and the pardususerde forum. Wink
I feel uncomfortable with this us <> them attitude.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 16:33:09 PM »

And I put a  Huh? with some of the quotes I read.
In my opinion this is valid for both this and the pardususerde forum. Wink
I feel uncomfortable with this us <> them attitude.

And we CAN agree to DIS-agree, like civilized people....
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