An IRC chat

[Sandro]

Somebody in this forum linked a IRC channel where a have chatted.
I have chatted only with "obsoleteman" (om) that tell me that world forum is not accessible from turkey belike there is a turkey fiirewall. So world forum is banned in Turkey. We needed a new forum that is not banned in Turkey.

OM tell me that they need developers, tell me that the new iso is from metalmanbaris and this guy speaks english. He is from time to time in the irc channel.

IRC: freenode channel anka-develop

bye

[Anglo]

Somebody in this forum linked a IRC channel where a have chatted.
I have chatted only with "obsoleteman" (om) that tell me that world forum is not accessible from turkey belike there is a turkey fiirewall. So world forum is banned in Turkey. We needed a new forum that is not banned in Turkey.

still? (perhaps parduslife then ?)

OM tell me that they need developers, tell me that the new iso is from metalmanbaris and this guy speaks english. He is from time to time in the irc channel.

IRC: freenode channel anka-develop

                             

working, I see some old names there , I will start visiting

bye

Good to see you again

[Dirse Yalçın]

there is no turkish firewall, no banning.
i wrote from turkey/istanbul as you can all see. no hidden ip, no backway, no trick.
people who think themselves to be very high, who pretend to be doing a great job, tend to get paranoid from time to time and create artificial enemies as excuses.
who really cares about Pardus Worldforum any more?! why ban it?!
i write this only because some "foreigners" might get the wrong impression that turkey is a non-free country.
turkey is a free country.

[Anglo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_by_country


^_~

Written by some foreigners

[evowinds]

I also write my posts from Turkey, and using Tubitak infrastructure...
It sounds like a joke...
Somebody's settings may prevent them from accessing Worldforum. But not all of us...

[Anglo]

I also write my posts from Turkey, and using Tubitak infrastructure...
It sounds like a joke...
Somebody's settings may prevent them from accessing Worldforum. But not all of us...

IP blocking is a technique that is common, and can be applied wholescale or applied to catagories only or by region.
The fact a few are blocked does NOT mean all are blocked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address_blocking

anglo

[Dirse Yalçın]

@Anglo: Stop being a PITA and speak openly!
Wikipedia info that you give is total b.s. There is NO requirement in Turkey "that all computers select one of four levels of content filtering (family, children, domestic, or standard) in order to gain access to the Internet".
As for the sites banned, as it is stated by Wikipedia itself, they are pornographic (esp. child pornography), and violation of international intellectual property rights, since Turkey is bound to follow international agreements (EU, UN, etc.).
So be open and clear when you childishly try to blame Turkey. Then I will give you more responses that you deserve.

[Anglo]

Your patriotism does you credit ,Dirse.
your arguments do not.
All I offered was a possible explanation as to why this MAY happen.
and I think credulity is higher with reports  than with claims.
This is not the first time this has been reported

[dschzz]

If I may remind you of something that happened not long ago:

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3478.msg25067#msg25067

and then, 6 hours later:

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=3478.msg25071#msg25071

Feel free to read the rest of that thread.

Until now it is not fully clear to me what exactly happened and why, but it is a matter of fact that the official Pardus server(s) were only reachable when using Turkish nameservers for a few days. I would probably not call this "censorship" but it made clear that the Turkish infrastructure is set up in a way so that foreigners can get cut off from it quite easily - either by accident or on purpose. That's something at least I was not aware of before and I find it alarming.

I have never tried to access the internet from within Turkey, so I don't have personal experiences on this. Also, I have no personal experiences about the state of censorship in Turkey, but since you are here now, I would take your word about the actual state, Dirse, and value it higher than the Wikipedia page.

But.

Some time ago there were reports about PWF not being reachable from some point within Turkey. And I have no reason to doubt these reports, too. Plus, it fits into the picture of the vanishing server(s).

So, Dirse, can you explain to us why Turkish people would make up such a claim out of thin air?

[saygili]

Hello Friends,

I am living in Türkiye/Ankara and using fiber net at home. I am able to connect from both home, my mobile, my work. But when I go to customer site, I am not able to connect due to their proxy. Most probably this site has an ip address which were belnging to some illegal company before.

I am not able to explain otherwise.

I think Dirse is right about the conclusion. There is no ban in Türkiye about this site, since it would be very stupid to ban linux site


Best Reagrds,

Murat

[Anglo]

Hello Friends,

I am living in Türkiye/Ankara and using fiber net at home. I am able to connect from both home, my mobile, my work. But when I go to customer site, I am not able to connect due to their proxy. Most probably this site has an ip address which were belnging to some illegal company before.

I am not able to explain otherwise.

I think Dirse is right about the conclusion. There is no ban in Türkiye about this site, since it would be very stupid to ban linux site


Best Reagrds,

Murat

A real possibility,
 A IP block can be a little as one service or location  shut down at either end of the net, or a broader range of ip addresses .If someone "at either end " chooses the "broad range of addresses " , then it is very possible to be included by accident.

 This is often done at companies to keep viruse free ( and employees working ), or at hotels or internet cafes so that the bandwidth isn't all used up by others downloading mp3 ( or porn ).

World wide ,things like "p2p"  ( which are bidirectional in usage , so at the least , more traffic than a simple download ) are problems , so things like "traffic shaping " are used ( slowing that service ), or simple denial .

And yes , sometimes a county's isp bans services ( like youtube ) for reasons of legality. (for example ).
I run into this all the time , not all services are allowed me  from places like the Usa (next door to me ) Britain ( which has strong ties to Canada ) and various other countries or companies simply based on my not being "acceptable " for whatever reason ( generally media related ).

I think Dirse is right about the conclusion. There is no ban in Türkiye about this site, since it would be very stupid to ban linux site


Best Reagrds,

Very likely, for now, but when politicians ( and lawyers ) get involved , who can tell for sure.......

[Dirse Yalçın]

Very likely, for now, but when politicians ( and lawyers ) get involved , who can tell for sure.......

well i can prepare a full legal memorandum on the matter if you send me 1.000 usd 
then you'll see the difference between hearsay, rumor,  false, prejudiced "reports" (?!), press misinformation, etc. AND real, concrete evidence.

[Anglo]

Very likely, for now, but when politicians ( and lawyers ) get involved , who can tell for sure.......

well i can prepare a full legal memorandum on the matter if you send me 1.000 usd 
then you'll see the difference between hearsay, rumor,  false, prejudiced "reports" (?!), press misinformation, etc. AND real, concrete evidence.

so much for "pro bono"

[Dirse Yalçın]

so much for "pro bono"

yeah, pro bono does NOT mean that i have to respond to every useless query and waste my valuable time cyber-chatting with some bored old nicknames, pouring out hearsay and blaming Turkey without any basis.

[richdb]

@Dirse and liittle bit Anglo

Please gentleman ...
This forum is about Pardus, other Linux distros and just other fun things to talk about .

But not for clanwars and talks about politics.

So please stop with this childish behaviour. Thank you